Quantcast
  1. Welcome to Bantam Talk

    Why not register for an account?

    Not only can you then get fully involved in the community but you also get fewer ads

  2. Premium Membership now Available


    Please see this thread for more details

    Dismiss Notice

Moral compass

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Rogered Tart, Sep 7, 2023.

  1. Rogered Tart

    Rogered Tart Regular Starter
    P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2018
    Messages:
    17,185
    Likes Received:
    40,814
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/football-fans-slammed-sick-lucy-30884777

    Where do we start and finish with this? Are West Yorkshire police going to be looking for fans calling Steve Evans character into question? Do Leeds fans get upset and complain about Jimmy Saville being labelled as 'one of your own'?
    Personally its not something i get involved in yet i remember two city fans at Swindon calling Drysdale some absolutely obscene things. Where is the line drawn at what is termed 'football banter' and something that the police decide to want to get involved?
     
    Bronco likes this.
  2. Birky Bantam

    Birky Bantam Impact Sub
    P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant

    Joined:
    May 15, 2018
    Messages:
    2,077
    Likes Received:
    2,376
    It has no place in football. It's mocking and making a joke out of defenseless babies being murdered. Imagine if the parents of one of them babies was in the crowd and heard it. Banning tragedy chanting at football shouldn't just be limited to football tragedies
     
  3. NorthernMonkey

    NorthernMonkey Squad Player
    P.L. 20/21 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2018
    Messages:
    9,699
    Likes Received:
    19,169
    The moral stance is great. In reality though it's unworkable.

    And where do you stop? Once you've made England a moral bastion do you tackle racism in Eastern Europe or homophobia in the Arab nations?

    I'm not suggesting any of it is correct, I'm just saying that your urinating in the wind if you think you can single out and stop offensive chanting.

    I also believe it's unworkable when pretending that they will criminalise it as an offence. We can't even convict the majority of people guilty for theft so this will rank way down in everyone's priority I would think.
     
  4. Birky Bantam

    Birky Bantam Impact Sub
    P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant

    Joined:
    May 15, 2018
    Messages:
    2,077
    Likes Received:
    2,376
    This isn't about other countries, this is about what we do in this country
     
  5. Rogered Tart

    Rogered Tart Regular Starter
    P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2018
    Messages:
    17,185
    Likes Received:
    40,814
    Would this extend to people singing chants about Jimmy Saville and Leeds fans? Chants about Steve Evans and paedophilia? I agree in principle that chants in bad taste aren't something I want to really here but what is the line of acceptability?
     
  6. NorthernMonkey

    NorthernMonkey Squad Player
    P.L. 20/21 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2018
    Messages:
    9,699
    Likes Received:
    19,169
    Why? Is it only offensive if it's sung in England?
     
  7. Birky Bantam

    Birky Bantam Impact Sub
    P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant

    Joined:
    May 15, 2018
    Messages:
    2,077
    Likes Received:
    2,376
    Chants about any tragic event should be banned, yes.
     
  8. Birky Bantam

    Birky Bantam Impact Sub
    P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant

    Joined:
    May 15, 2018
    Messages:
    2,077
    Likes Received:
    2,376
    What action do you expect our police to take against people in other countries?
     
  9. Rogered Tart

    Rogered Tart Regular Starter
    P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2018
    Messages:
    17,185
    Likes Received:
    40,814
    You haven't answered the one about Steve Evans? Should he be subjected to vile chants regarding being called a paedophile and a nonce? Cos that's what gets chanted when he comes here as an opposition manager.
     
    Bronco likes this.
  10. NorthernMonkey

    NorthernMonkey Squad Player
    P.L. 20/21 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2018
    Messages:
    9,699
    Likes Received:
    19,169
    You're the one suggesting bans on chanting and given that a large part of the example given happened in Wales then I'm just wondering why you're selective in which countries you're including?
     
  11. Birky Bantam

    Birky Bantam Impact Sub
    P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant

    Joined:
    May 15, 2018
    Messages:
    2,077
    Likes Received:
    2,376
    Laws like that would be set by the UK government. If for any reason that couldn't be done then the FA can ban them and force clubs to ban fans who chant things like that or discipline the clubs like they do with pitch invasions.
     
  12. Frank Castle

    Frank Castle Captain
    Moderator P.L. 20/21 Entrant Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    1,378
    Likes Received:
    2,336
    The one I remember vividly is a large group of City fans singing about cockle pickers at Morecambe many years back. Very distasteful but criminal?
     
  13. Keefly Bantam

    Keefly Bantam Important Player
    Qatar 2022 Entrant P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter P.L. 20/21 Top 20

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    9,806
    Likes Received:
    12,743
    Really quite easy this. CCTV now has great capability to pick out individuals in a crowd and Police have mobile cameramen at games that can also pick up audio. Pick a few knobheads chanting at random, arrest them and then publicly shame them.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
    Wakefield Bantam likes this.
  14. QCFC BANTAM

    QCFC BANTAM Regular Starter
    Qatar 2022 Entrant P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2018
    Messages:
    2,142
    Likes Received:
    2,840
    Perhaps a better use would be outside our supermarkets given the current state of shoplifting.....
     
    Keefly Bantam likes this.
  15. Edin Nowhere

    Edin Nowhere Impact Sub
    P.L.22/23 Entrant

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2018
    Messages:
    3,524
    Likes Received:
    4,923
    To add to this,

    Dale Houghton, from Rotherham, was arrested on Saturday (September 30) after reports of two men displaying an image of six-year-old Sunderland fan Bradley Lowery, who tragically lost his life to cancer.

    He has since been charged and pleaded guilty calling it "enjoyable banter".

    Well he has been banned from Hillsborough, he has lost his job, his sunday league side have kicked him out and he is awaiting sentance from the magistrate courts which will see either a fine or up to 6 months in jail. Then there is the shoeing he will probably get from Sunderland fans if he ever crosses their paths again.

    His parents must be hugely embarrassed by all of this too. I mean he is 31 not 15.
     
    Bronco likes this.
  16. city gent 65

    city gent 65 Fringe Player

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2018
    Messages:
    187
    Likes Received:
    346
    hopefully he gets the 6 months in jail, how on earth can anyone think that the death of a child be enjoyable banter. this piece of crap deserves to be jailed and make him serve his sentence in a prison in the north east
     
    Bronco likes this.
  17. Edin Nowhere

    Edin Nowhere Impact Sub
    P.L.22/23 Entrant

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2018
    Messages:
    3,524
    Likes Received:
    4,923
    He will likely see the inside of a prison cell as it looks like an example is to be made out of this. I think it was only a few weeks ago that there was a big piece on disaster chanting in the news.

    I doubt this lad at this moment can go to the pub, his mates probably don't want to see him, his football team have disowned him and his parents must be beyond embarrassed so punishment in effect is already been handed out.
     
    Bronco likes this.

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice