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Funding of Bradford City V Premiership and other clubs

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by AngryGaz, Feb 7, 2023.

  1. Dennis

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    The EFL's own FFP rules in the Championship are ludicrous. They allow clubs to stay within the rules if their losses are less than £39mill over a three year period. Or if you like, Championship clubs can make losses of £13mill every year and still stay within FFP rules. Madness!

    In the real world rather than the footballing world, businesses with similar turnovers to these clubs - say £30 to £40mill - which continually make losses on this scale wouldn't stay in business very long! Occasional losses are to be expected in the business world but not in the long term. The only reason why most Championship clubs are still in business isn't because they are well run businesses but that they are owned by people with large egos and large bank balances who are willing to subsidise their club in the hope of reaching the Promised Land (or PL as it's usually known). It's a very tilted playing field.

    The worrying issue for the sport is that the EFL's own rules have institutionalised the concept of loss making football clubs. None of the sustainability principles in FFP! The rules could be changed tomorrow by the EFL but of course they couldn't do that without the agreement of a majority of the clubs. If ever we managed to get into the Championship, we'd be up against it and struggle to maintain that position .. unless the FFP rules are changed fundamentally.

    It's even worse in the PL where clubs can post losses of £60mill (!) over each and every 3 year period and still meet the FFP rules. At least after some pressure from FIFA, the PL have now effectively introduced a salary cap at 70% of total revenues. It will take some years to implement that fully but at least they are moving in the right direction. Unfortunately as we've seen with Man City, very wealthy owners will continue to breach the rules and employ an army of very expensive lawyers to overturn any penalties. I predict there will be more 'Man Citys' as the willy waving competition between mega rich billionaires continues to invade the sport.
     
  2. Bronco

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    The thing is Jordan Gary didn't make the same points when he was pulling £70/80K a week at United.

    Our short time in the Premier has been discussed many times and of course for little Bradford City it was a great achievement something I never thought I'd see in my lifetime BUT after the first season it became a bit a toil and pleasure no structure to when our games were played ETC, being a decent team in the Championship being able to compete with others would be reasonable target IMO.
     
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  3. Dennis

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    Man C's total revenues have indeed been the highest in football for the past two years, beating both Real, Man U and Liverpool to that position

    Interestingly both matchday revenues and TV broadcasting are both lower than their main competitors. It's their commercial activities, especially sponsorship, which give Man C the edge. Of course, it was the extraordinary level of sponsorship provided by Etihad (the airline which also just happens to be owned by Mansour!) which helped enormously. It was this abnormal and unusual level of sponsorship which gave rise to FIFA's original investigation a couple of years ago.

    I suspect the planned PL investigation might also look into this again. ;)
     
  4. Rogered Tart

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    It needs investigation Dennis because City are not a global brand like the top clubs. Yes they may own other clubs with their umbrella but there is no way Man City are bigger than giants like Real and Man United. Just seems rules are there to be circumnavigated.
     
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  5. Dennis

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    Yes, it does. The sponsorship deal with Etihad was one of the reasons Man C were originally kicked out of the Champions league.for 2 years by UEFA. Unfortunately once the owner's army of very expensive lawyers successfully appealed the decision, Man C were reinstated. I trust this time, the PL are better prepared .. but my prediction is that it will take some time, maybe even years.
     
  6. AngryGaz

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    Neville is nothing but a double stand Twit......,.,,,,, like you said where was his stance of the Glazers when he getting millions of them
     
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    Hi Mate sport for some is going downhill . City dropping down the league out of the playoffs. Cougars undefeated last season lost 0-50 to Featherstone Rovers last night first game of the season .

    "what's going on" Marvin
     
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    As far as Bigrod saying the Man City fans are reasonable people, obviously a lot of them are, as with most clubs. However, if he wants to retain that viewpoint I suggest he never goes on the Blue Moon forum, the main one for City fans.

    As I've mentioned on here previously, I've been a Liverpool supporter since 1965, as well as a Bradford City supporter/season ticket holder since 1961. As a result I've gone on Blue Moon a number of times before games against them etc, and a bigger bunch of bigoted, psychotic and privileged headcases I've never come across. Most clubs/forums have their share of idiots, but it's virtually every one of them on that forum.

    To read that forum they are angels with everyone else in the world out to get them, and that was before this weeks charges came out, so goodness knows what they're saying now.
     
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  9. Bronco

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    Fev in the first game of the season was always going to be difficult.

    "things can only get better" D:Ream
     
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  10. Bigrod

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    To be fair, I actually typed, ‘by and large the ones I know are fairly reasonable people’. I don’t go on that website, no reason to do so.
    There are quite a few Manchester City supporters in the area I live in, the clubs move to North Manchester, has proved attractive to younger kids, and the fan base seems to have grown.
     
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    You call it sponsorship. I call it cheating, with Mansour ordering one of his other companies to gift money to Man City in return for naming rights. The level of money that flows from Etihad to Manchester City makes it way, way above anything that could be termed "commercial" common sense.

    The whole basis of sponsorship is you spend a figure, to get a multiple of that figure back. There is no way that Etihad could possibly make money on the "sponsorship" of Man City, on the levels provided anyway, but the EPL won't see it that way and as most have said, the punishment will be a big fine, that Mansour will take out of his pocket money.

    It would be hilarious if the EPL relegated Man City to League Two, and almost worth staying there just to be part of it.

    I remember Northampton Saints getting relegated to the second tier of the RFU and I think they won every single game the season they were there, I went to one that they won 81-0, running in a try every 6 minutes. One match they put 97 points an the opposition. Watching Man City try to emulate that, but getting kicked up their arse by the likes of Gillingham would be a sight to see.
     
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  12. borderlescott

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    Made me laugh yesterday. Talksport were running a headline around some quotes from a New York Times journalist, who said Man City should be booted out of the PL if found guilty.

    1) who cares what a yank journalist has to say about anything PL related. We have excellent press coverage of the PL from our own media - whose names we respect as they are closer to home and have better contacts. Said journalist should stick to covering baseball and basketball etc, about which nobody gives a damn over here!

    2) isn’t it coincidental that three of the four biggest clubs who would benefit most in the PL if City were booted out are all American owned - Glazers at United, FSG or whatever they are called at Liverpool, and Todd Boehly at Chelsea!
     
  13. borderlescott

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    Forums tend to attract whingers and wierdos though tbf don’t they. People looking to vent in anger.

    I’ve been to Man City five times this year and off again on Sunday. Only have a bit of chat with the fan next to me or maybe in the concourse, but they seem reasonable fans to me in real life. There are a lot of tourists there these days - Chinese etc - like there was with Man Utd in the 90s.

    Actually went to the Cup game vs Liverpool not long after the World Cup. It was the game where, in return for hearing distasteful chants sung their way, the Liverpool fans filled an empty cup with coins and threw it from the top tier, into the bottom tier, and a poor girl ended up in hospital.

    Why Man City would sit away fans in the same stand like that, just asking for trouble. Anyway, I digress.

    I don’t expect they have a higher proportion of bell ends, entitled or clueless fans as the next club, including Bradford City or Liverpool.
     
  14. borderlescott

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    City will hire the best legal people and squirm out of it.

    and the Premier League will back down because, rightly or wrongly (and not that I agree it should be the case…..but hey ho) a league without the most talented side in Europe becomes weaker, and with it, so does the worth of their own brand and their ability to market the league to the Arab market, if Man City are booted out.
     
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    If they were only relegated one division they would bounce straight back and would get massive coverage the whole of that year due to perceived ‘unfairness’ of the punishment. Only thing they would miss out on would be a champions league season, but if they are aware before they could focus on FA Cup and get into Europe that way
     
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    Money influences football. Who would have thought
     
  17. Kevin1954

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    Didn’t someone say do away with the close season recently, which if left to their own devices , would allow THE SAME MONEY to corrupt the transfer system right up to and including the last game of the season?
     
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    Not much wrong with the transfer system as long as clubs use it properly and follow the rules
     
  19. borderlescott

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    Id be in favour of scrapping the transfer window. Dont see any justification for having one. We never used to. Who does it benefit?
     
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    I think for clubs below the Championship this makes total sense. No need to carry such large squads, no need to buy in large numbers in January, ability to shift on players at anytime that are unhappy. I get that it would stop Chelsea buying the league in September after a poor start, and would keep it for the Pl (and probably the PL2 - Championship) but in League One & Two, what was wrong with being able to trade freely up to the 3rd Thursday of March ?
     
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