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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by FrenchBantam, Mar 18, 2022.

  1. Petrov

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    This 100%.
    No more needs to be said really.
     
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  2. SimonW

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    I've read your comments but when you equate the likes of Syria to whats going on in Ukraine it makes your words pretty hollow. Again there is a massive difference between TARGETING civilians and some civilians being killed in actions trying to PREVENT a fecking genocide. And yes leaders knew there would be collateral damage both in innocent civilians' lives and infrastructure, unfortunately in any military operation it's unavoidable no matter how careful you are, sometimes intel is wrong, sometimes civilians are in unexpected places (as people aren't video game characters who follow a set path), sometimes equipment fails, sometimes there is just general human error and other times the other side intentionally put civilians in the way. But again it's not the same as targeting them like Russia is. They take the risk of all collateral damage into decisions and weigh up if that risk is worth it for the outcome, for example, the genocide that would have happened in Syria and Libya if nothing is done. But apparently, you are pro genocide being allowed to happen unchallenged, you probably consider Churchill to be a war criminal scum because the allies did cause innocent civilians in a number of countries to die to stop Hitler including to stop his mass genocide of a variety of groups of people.

    And there is no racial undertones to the term collateral damage, its the term for unintended damage done undertaking a military campaign. If it wasn't the nuke fear and we had put a No-Fly Zone in place and were even providing air support to the Ukrainians it would still be a term I would use for the Ukrainian civilians who would be unintentionally killed at the hands of the West
     
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  3. WilsdenBantam

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    It’s not just Syria is it, millions are suffering in places like North Korea and suffered through brutal regimes in Africa while we sat back. You have a very one eyed view of the world which is a shame. I can’t be bothered to discuss it anymore as you aren’t open to how other countries perceive the world, your words are hollow more than anyone else’s as you have no respect for other’s opinions. I’m sure civilians in places like Iraq, Syria and Libya don’t share your views on the west, just like many Russians don’t. Must all be evil…
     
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  4. Kevin1954

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    Im more than happy to call out the gullible voter/ non voter in every country in the world. For example, why is inflation at just short of 10% in the UK, 3% pandemic, 2% the Russian invasion, any idea where the other 5% came from…… ? Exports to our neighbours down down 25% imports up 43 %! Another brainwashing sold and believed by the electorate , what other explanation is there.?

    Its so easy to replicate it amongst the public in any country in the world, all one has to do is tell a lie and repeat it often enough and it becomes “ fact”.

    Remember it’s not party political!
     
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  5. WilsdenBantam

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    Sounds like we’re in agreement Kev, it can happen to any civilian population. Including our own!
     
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  6. bantamlad92

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    The witch hunt on here for one of our most known supporters is nothing short of an utter disgrace and those who are calling for ‘sanctions’ against him should be ashamed of themselves.

    Regardless of nationality or political perspective he’s a friendly, helpful City fan who has helped so many over the years with his video uploads and he is one of us ffs.

    This anti-Russian sentiment is simply shocking and is just downright racism. Imagine if someone treat YOU like this based on your governments actions / your nationality? Christ almighty.
     
  7. Parader

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    Nope, it's not anti Russian, it's based on comments he has made to the paper and his tweets.

    His football allegiances are irrelevant. Or should be to most decent people.
     
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  8. bantamlad92

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    You can’t just silence someone for having a different viewpoint. That’s just fascist and anti democratic!

    It’s bullying behaviour.
     
  9. Parader

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    Who is silenxing him? He needs to be challenged and called out for it not given sympathetic puff pieces in the T&A.
     
  10. bantamlad92

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    Challenged and called out for what?

    Having a differing stance to our biased main stream anti-Russian media?
     
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    People are taking about removing him from the forum. I'd say that's about as close as "silencing him" as the forum can get.
     
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  12. Dmitry

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    I see that my interview about broadcasting Bradford City games in Russia got very mixed views. So I decided to clarify some things & ley you understand me better.
    First of all - my political position is orthodoxal marxism. Not so called "moderm marxism" that focused about LGBT, BLM etc but marxism where class theory is in the center.
    So what happens now in Ukraine territory I consider as imperialist war where different countries & blocks are involved. I don't support Putin's decision to invade in Ukaraine & I feel it as a real tragedy & even more because I have ukranian relatives & my own roots.
    But in the same time I can’t not to point that NATO always approach closer & closer to Russian border & Euromaidan-2013 were largely influenced by West & UK played important role. That’s very understandable because geolocation of Ukraine is largely important & I can recall words told by Zbigniew Brzezinski «without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be an empire, but with Ukraine suborned and then subordinated, Russia automatically becomes an empire».
    And here we come to the very important topic – capitalism is main causer of this conflict. West/NATO is old imperialist, Putin’s Russia is newborn imperialist that grows up & without doubt it comes to serious conflict that later led to the war. This situation reminds so much what happened before The First World War & to understand it better I can suggest to read great book from Vladimir Lenin «Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism».
    Maybe now you understand better my idea that «both parts of conflict, Russia & West/Nato are not correct». But to finalize I want to ask you a question, could you imagine this war if USSR wasn’t broken? Could you imagine it when Russia & Ukraine were in the same country as well as others 12 republics of Soviet Union. And don’t you think that western leaders of course including Margaret Thatcher made all their best to brake USSR. It couldn’t happen without plenty of local soviet traitors but West made this shift very smartly & cynically. And all conflicts & wars on territory of former USSR is consequence of what I wrote.
    My idea is that for working class people (here I tell about employees of different activities) any war is no needed because a bill of imperialist will be paid not by capitalists but by normal citizens. Propaganda works everywhere & here in Russia is also awful as well as in western countries or China but trying to scapegoat Putin’s madness as only one reason of nightmare that happens in Ukraine means not understand political situation & not understand history.
    Sorry for so long message & hopefully Bradford City will make us happy today & to those who go today to Valley Parade I with to enjoy this day.



     
  13. Allotment Bantam

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    Perhaps we should just make sure he sees Arnie's video. It's worth watching.
     
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    Very good speaker is Arnie.
     
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  15. Kevin1954

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    Isn’t it refreshing for you to have the platform to speak freely on a UK forum, irrespective of one’s political stance both for and against one’s own AND other Governments ? Would it be nice for you and your citizen friends to have the opportunity to do the same in Putinland, instead of being threatened with being jailed for 15 years because one believes the unwarranted, immoral, invasion of a neighbouring country is murderous. ?

    It not about sides, it’s about decency to one’s fellow man, irrespective of their political views.
     
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    Another's Arnie speech when US army bombed Iraq.
     
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    Yes Bush and Blair should face war criminal charges just as Putin should for lying to the masses to shed blood for their own gain.
     
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  18. SimonW

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    So wait what is your stance here. That we shouldn't ever intervene because we might cause some collateral damage or we should be intervening much more?

    Intervening is difficult if you are going to you have to, first of all, have people wanting intervention and in both Syria and Libya those revolting and many of the ethnic groups who were at risk were asking for international help. Syria were asking for help for a long time before we did, NATO and the UN refused to get involved military wise while Russia did to support Assad at taking out those who opposed them. It was only when things got worse, specifically when Assad started getting in bed with ISIS

    You also need to have a viable leadership structure ready to step in otherwise you aren't helping. If we went into North Korea for example you don't have that, you would almost certainly just get another despot. Until the people start to show signs of wanting to change themselves there is only so much help the west can give.

    There have been failures in the actions but its more after the fact. We keep doing the thing where we leave it in the hands of the country to work out what happens next and as an ideal government has all sides represented it can actually cause conflict, a conflict which other groups such as ISIS use to get a foothold which holds it back. Iraq for example showed promise early on, the squabbles and ISIS taking root actually hinder its prosperity and made life in Iraq less safe and it really only been in the last year that the shoots of a really prosperous Iraq have started to sprout. Libya is still a long way from that but it certainly could be because 80% of the oil money before was going into Gaddafi's pocket, if only we had done more to support them what came after Gaddafi was removed rather than let conflict between the sides create a place where its lawless in many areas and groups like ISIS were able to grab a foothold. Seeing as we often take so long to actually get drawn into it we really should have better plans for what comes next to make the transition smoother and more prosperous for the country

    As for saying I have no respect for others' opinions, no it's just yours. Your view keeps changing, you refuse to accept there is a difference between INTENTIONALLY attacking civilians and accidental deaths and when you get called out you pull things like 'I didn't mean that' or 'it wasn't at you' before then going and repeating it. And you just go around calling people who don't agree with you racists as if that's some magic bullet for you to 'win' when the reality is it just makes you scum and undermines any valid points your arguments have
     
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    Western attacks, including our own involvement, have been far worse than anything Russia are doing.

    People are just too ignorant to acknowledge this embarrassingly hypocritical fact.
     
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    Why do you seem to think Russia have intentionally attacked civillians? That’s just an outright lie.

    If they did, there’d be far more than 800 civilian casualties which is the official number.
     

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