Dmitry

Can’t argue with that. Brainwashed not to think for themselves though?

 

Yes, exactly this.

 

This is someone with access to a reporter from the T&A. You won't convince me they don't have access to other news outlets. They continue to post pro Putin propaganda.

 

This.

 

Bombing civilians in the likes of Libya, Syria and Iraq is apples and oranges. Each to their own I suppose, a bit like with the refugee situation imo people happy to welcome Ukrainians but as soon as a boat of Syrians come over they’re the devil in disguise and are coming to ruin the country. I believe Dmitrys views on Putin are totally wrong, but that doesn’t make people like yourself right to condemn him for his opinion or your opinion on western democracies been acceptable to bomb civilians acceptable either. It’s not just Russian bots, it’s factual history and something this country and others wont take responsibility for.

 

Perhaps we should include some postcard shots from Mariupol so he can cut through the Putin bollocks! I’d be tempted but they are downright obscene!

 

So we shouldn't condemn people posting pro Putin material during the invasion of Ukraine because we may not have considered every bad situation our country has ever caused?

What about this, what about that, what about everything else?

Instead of a response like that maybe look at the current situation and discuss that. I have no problems with people condemning anyone with pro Putin views, especially if that person has access to media other than the Russian state media like the individual concerned in this discussion.

 

Very true, and relevant input, but is it really safe to publicly go against the government in Russia?

I get people calling on Russians 'in the know' to be brave and get out and protest en masse, and if they all did, Russia would have a problem ... but the UK is filled with cowardly custards, where the vast, VAST majority of people don't call out our own government on the terrible decisions they make that cost many lives.

I wonder if we were all Russians, how many of us would risk our own security by being blatantly anti-establishment?

Not many, is my guess.

 

Eh you ask me that in a post where I have literally condemned his comments about Putin what are you going on about? It’s not condemning going on though is it, it’s people wanting him gagged(banned off here) and saying he should be protesting (risking his own freedom) that I have issue with. You’re obviously missing the point completely so I’ll leave it there as I can’t be bothered.

 

It’s hard to know I guess!
I honestly don’t know!
It’s happened before so who knows.
I’ll be honest, I’m 43 and have probably lived in a sheltered period where, bar Middle East conflict, there’s been little to worry about.
For a person not educated in that field, it strikes as the modern day Hitler the way he’s got his country brainwashed and worked up into a frenzy.
So yes, I can believe that someone can be brainwashed to that extent

 

Eh? You literally said "I believe Dmitrys views on Putin are totally wrong, but that doesn’t make people like yourself right to condemn him for his opinion"

 

The point wasn’t just criticised though was it it was condemned to the point of wanting reprisals against him for having a different opinion/view on the world. As I said there’s a difference between saying someone is wrong and wanting them gagged or to risk getting locked up because of it.

 

I'm not suggesting he should risk anything. However, I don't see why someone posting pro Putin material on the Internet shouldn't be sanctioned. I believe that people expressing his views should be ostracised. My views are not radical, they are held in the majority of the world (outside Russia). I vehemently hold this opinion of anyone with access to non Russian media as Dmitry clearly does. He has access to more than his own countries media and has made a choice to propagate the Putin line. That is different to just being quiet, it's literally excusing and justifying the invasion of Ukraine.

 

Each to their own we’ll have to agree to disagree on this, a positive of freedom of speech and not living in a society where others views are constantly censored even when we disagree with them and they’re controversial

 

I believe I've read somewhere in the past that Dmitry is a reporter in St Petersburg, Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

His contribution on here over the years has been very positive and it’s a crying shame it’s come to this but unless people who have been brainwashed by Putin come to realise the suffering their country is causing I can’t see any other choice. I hope it’s not a permanent thing once this hell is over

 

We can agree to disagree, but I do not believe this is about freedom of speech, nor do I believe its about censorship. It's a discussion about someone spreading pro Putin material online without challenge. It must be challenged and it must be held to account. Anyway, peace and love... we aren't enemies❤