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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by king karl, Feb 15, 2020.

  1. nicknameless

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    Though unfortunately the same thread notes the study from Neil Ferguson's team suggesting it is no less severe than Delta - lab vs real life?

    Time will tell.
     
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  2. Edin Nowhere

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    The problem we now have with these stories as seen here is the historic cry wolf we have had before as per this story no more than 3 months ago.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58566235

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    The constant fear from from media does have an adverse effect because when all we hear is doom and the figures quoted are always massively over egged, people tend not to listen when you might actually need them too.

    BTW the governement revised the paper dated the 13th Dec quoting 1m cases per day on the 16th Dec massively scaling back on that prediction.
     
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  3. Yorkieman

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    Rofl

    They've been saying this doubling nonsense since early December.

    If you 'do the maths' that would mean EVERYONE in the UK would be infected by Christmas and everyone in the world would be infected by the New Year.

    Why do people believe these silly predictions? Does nobody in this crappy govt have access to a calculator?

    Here's some maths. If there were "200,000 cases" in a day 154 of them would die within 28 days irrespective of Covid, ie. they would die like people have since time began.

    The reason is that 0.0007692308% of the UK population die every month.

    This is how they are massaging the figures to keep everyone scared and impose totalitarian measures on a brainwashed public.
     
  4. Yorkieman

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    I'm sure the fourth or fifth jabs will sort it, or maybe the new Omicron Specials that they're working on
     
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  5. vladimir

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    Untill these professor lockdowns realise its something we have got to live with like the common cold it will go on and on, a good dose of common sense needs to be applied.
     
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    Good sense there @Yorkieman@Yorkieman
    This will never end a simple calculation proves the theory but oh no the government are always right
    People can hide behind the sofa all they want but that won't improve anything other than proof that they can be manipulated to do whatever they say
     
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  7. bantamlad92

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    Nah mate, you’re not fully protected unless you’ve had the sixth.
     
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  8. Yorkieman

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    I reckon you're right. The sixth will do the trick. Boris should be telling everyone to go straight for the 6th and skip the 3rd, 4th and 5th cos they're just won't cut it
     
  9. Stafford Bantam

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    You were going well, until you quoted that percentage. Do you not have access to a calculator? ;)

    Check your maths, you've just extended the average life span to 10,000 years. ;)

    Even your 154 is a little on the low side, if we are comparing it to the real figure of aproximately 189.

    If you are going to complain about people massaging the figures, then it's probably best not to massage the figures yourself.
     
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  10. nicknameless

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    Latest data on deaths also positive from south africa. Still an age related pattern but looks like deaths in latest wave in all age groups two thirds of previous delta wave.

    For anyone interested that is.

    I was surprised to see them report any deaths all tbh, this being the common cold and all.
     
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  11. nicknameless

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    Now it's me ROFL. Brainwashed - if the cap fits wear it. Is Elvis working in your chippy too?
     
  12. Aaron Baker

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    Interesting point. I wonder how many people die every year within 28 days of getting a cold?
     
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  13. nicknameless

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    To the naysayers on here - have none of you any first hand experience of COVID? Nobody you know died or currently got long COVID? My family are all okay thankfully but I have three friends and neighbours who have lost mothers or fathers. I know three people living with long COVID, one in their fifties, previously fit and healthy and now totally debilitated from it being the worst, the other two with lingering symptoms of fatigue and long term chest issues.

    My upstairs neighbour is a local ICU nurse. She told me last week about telling the family of young man (40s) that he had died and being asked whether he'd have survived if he'd been vaccinated.

    I work with medical professionals day in, day out some who work in critical care and others who've been seconded to COVID duties. They all are exhausted and have massive backlogs of routine clinical work which will likely take years to clear. My work with them (research) has been stalled or halted largely as the routine clinical work that it normally is focused around has just stopped, or been massively hindered for the last 18 months.

    Where the **** is the conspiracy and massaging of figures and totalitarianism in this experience?

    Some of the shit I read really makes my blood boil sometimes.
     
  14. nicknameless

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    If you're trying to wind me up you are succeeding. If not you're a moron.
     
  15. Aaron Baker

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    Just a general wondering not trying to link anything to anything else in any way.

    The number clearly wouldn't be zero though.
     
  16. Stafford Bantam

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    A lot of people seem to be winding themselves up about a flawed method of calculating COVID deaths though, this within 28 days figure.

    Well I've got news for them, all the methods of calculating COVID deaths are flawed. There is no single method of accurately calculating the figure, there just too many variables. So, a range of methods, based on alightly different definitions of what constiutes a COVID death are used that, broadly speaking, come up with numbers that are very roughly in the same ball park.

    People have become far too focused on this 'within 28 days' figure, which id relatively easy to pick holes in, but then it isn't that far away from those alternative methods.

    And yes, we could wonder about lots of other scenarios as well, such as within 28 days of getting a cold.

    But here's one for you to calculate, how many people die within 28 days of being alive?
     
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  17. nicknameless

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    No it wouldn't and that fact absolutely does not negate the impact of COVID.

    Why not respond to my post above - is my personal and direct experience of COVID made up? Am I massaging that account for some unknown ulterior motive? Am I misreporting what's happening in the health service?

    Does the same happen due to the common cold / seasonal flu / insert downplayed viral infection of choice?
     
  18. nicknameless

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    Too tricky for me. I'll let someone else answer.
     
  19. Stafford Bantam

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    It's not as easy as some might think.
     
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  20. Aaron Baker

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    I'm no getting wound up about it in the slightest. It's a flawed system as you say but up until this point the flaws seem to have balanced out and made the numbers vaguely fit with excess deaths, common sense, etc.

    The point largely being made is an acknowledgement of that balance. Some deaths will wrongly be counted and some will incorrectly be missed. If the parameters of the virus change (for example IF it becomes more transmissible but also milder) then that balance may no longer work and the flaws in the system become exacerbated and it no longer stays as an accurate representation.

    It's why sarcastic statements like "I'm surprised to see any deaths at all" then lead on to a discussion about how these are calculated.
     
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