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Takeover Rumours

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by EdwinB, Dec 9, 2021.

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Who would you like to see running the club

  1. RUPP

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  2. WAGMI

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  1. stubgate13

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    Totally agree and to be honest if they are prepared to offer money he's happy with I think he'd be doing us a disservice by not selling and giving someone else a chance.
     
  2. Botswana Bantam

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    It's a fair point. The physical distance and lack of personal connection to the club probably means he doesn't give a rats ass for 95% of the week. He probably gets a little bit of dread on Saturday when he suddenly remembers there's a football match and then gets a bit of bad news on another draw or loss but forgets about it 10 minutes later when he goes back to his racing cars or whatever.
     
  3. River_City_Bantam

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    And if it goes wrong the people conducting the experiment can just walk away from it all, minus some dollars, and we will be left to pick up the pieces, again.

    True that phrase may have referred, in the first instance to analytics, but it is indicative of a certain mindset. If only the people making such statements would be hurt if things go wrong, then that's their lookout. But people's careers and livelihoods are in play, not to mention the (emotional, and possibly financial) investment we as supporters have in the club. One owuld prefer statements that are less cavalier, and more aware of the communal importance of a football club.

    RCB
     
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  4. Dionysus

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    This feels a little bit like dismissing it without hearing any of the detail. It's not even clear who this consortium is composed of - we've heard from a handful of people, but nobody has had anything to scrutinise beyond, what? A brief Twitter encounter? It could be that these guys are charlatans, but a lot of people have already made their minds up.

    I also think way too much emphasis seems to have gone on the NFT element of this. They've stated their aims are to bring a stats and analytics based approach to things - and I'd like to hear more about that, as I think basically all EFL clubs are falling way short at this.

    As I said before, the club is rotting and I'm not enjoying it. My baseline on what constitutes an acceptable risk is currently WAY lower than it would be if I was enjoying it.
     
  5. Hulmebantam

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    I guess I'm very sceptical until I hear more detail, but anyone coming into the club with the aim of taking us into the higher reaches of the football pyramid will need to spend a huge amount of money. There is very little information to go on, so yes, maybe, I am being a bit premature, but I don't think the questions I asked are unreasonable.

    I don't doubt that we could gain a significant edge with the use of data and analytics, but that will, for me, need to be backed up with significant investment within the team. I doubt a group of quants would be able to identify a squad of undervalued players from the conference/League 2/league 1 that'll take us into the Championship.

    I agree absolutely that the club is rotting and I'm not enjoying it either.
     
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  6. PlatinumChaosX

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    Just got finished reading the BBC article. Very interesting stuff.

    I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.
     
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  7. Keefly Bantam

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    I don't pretend to understand blockchain but its making a lot of people a lot of money.
     
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    That has to be even more worrying, not least because some people have been hanging their hats on some of the names attached as being the solid people who might be able to guide things as at least one has experience running a sports team but it does suggest that like I mentioned the people with some pedigree are little more than Angel investors and won't be actively involved

    The thing is as a general idea for an additional income there are some things in the NFT idea that would work, just not in the way its being talked about as a major and consistent income stream.

    For example, doing a one off card release where you buy a pack of random cards, these cards will have different rarities with some of the rarest ones coming with some utility, for example, one might give you an hour meeting with Ryan at the start of each season where you get to have a discussion about the club, another might give the holder a discounted season ticket or a certain number of VIP experiences during the season or a discount in the club shop, maybe another a meet and greet with the squad or getting to attend a training session. Things that give the card not only collectability because it's rare but there is an ongoing utility with that would encourage holders to sell and for buyers to want to buy and with the club getting their 5-10% cut on every resale.

    The initial sale wouldn't earn the club millions, you certainly wouldn't be able to run the club on it and you really could only do the sale once otherwise you devalue it and kill demand and hence price of both on the resale market and the new market for the new release but you might be enough to allow the club to make a signing that otherwise would be out of reach and the resale cut might be enough each year to pay slightly higher wages to a player you need to make the next step.

    And as mentioned there are other NFT things such as licencing to NFT based games like Sorare which could be done alongside to bring in more money (As mentioned before sorare pay not only a licencing fee but teams and players get a cut of all sales and resales of the cards) which again may provide enough to make the difference between you being able to afford that player you really need and them being just out of reach

    Although I have to say I'm not sure more money would really help you. You have had one of the biggest budgets in the league consistently and you managers keep misspending on unbalanced squads full of players who had poor injury records before joining you and which get worse when joining you. You would probably blow it all on signing Jack Wilshere

    I sadly don't have a basement, I have to do with a way too bright back bedroom :) Although rewatching the scene you maybe aren't as far from the truth as I would like to admit. Way too many monitors, Check, Pop culture trinkets around the room, check, spare computer parts all over the place, check. Although I don't have a server rack in the room. My server rack with a few server PC, my multiple rack-based NAS devices, various network switches, Uninterruptable power supplies and the likes are in what was the garage but is now a server room. It's what annoys me about movies, if people had their fullsize server racks that are full in the room they worked in they would be deaf in no time as servers are not quite, they sound almost like a plane taking off
     
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  10. River_City_Bantam

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    Now there's a potential problem (if the report is accurate). It would be rather a gamble for Rupp: will bitcoin values rise or tank between the time he makes the sale and he gets to convert the bitcoins into proper currency? If he's not willing to take that chance, he'd be better off insisting that any buyer hand over good old-fashioned cash.

    RCB
     
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  11. PlatinumChaosX

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    Aye I agree, as successful as crypto currency has been, I'm sure for all the successes there are many failings for others. It's a risk and I guess it depends on the risk appetite that Rupp has.
     
  12. Park bantam

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  13. jpaul81

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    For all you know, Rupp may already have crypto investments as part of his portfolio.
    If i was was Rupp i'd take accept Bitcoin offer on the condition he retains a minority stake in the club and a seat on the board.
     
  14. JonButterfield

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    Nah, it's not.

    Like everything in capitalism, it is making a tiny minority a huge amount of money.

    You won't find many people who have made good money.
     
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    They want the press coverage of finalising in BTC, otherwise why insist on it? Just convert to £ or Euros before paying
     
  16. Loyalbantam

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    If he receives 10million in cold hard cash and kept it in a bank for 5 years it’ll be worth £10125000 at todays interest rates.
    If he’s paid in bitcoins at todays prices he’d get about 220 of them.
    My guess is a bitcoin could rise to £100k each within 5 years and thus be worth £22million.
    I’d take my chances being paid in bitcoins thanks
     
  17. Park bantam

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    On the other hand it could crash it’s a gamble. The only thing that might attract is if he did a deal that kept him on as part of the deal
     
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    To do what? He does nothing now so what could he possibly have to input. If you mean to retain a percentage then maybe, but I'd imagine he'd want rid of the hassle.
     
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    I'm trying to think when the last time our owner actually released any kind of statement. It must be well over a year since.
     
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  20. Fuzzy

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    It's just another currency. I assume that most of his wealth is in Euros, it's no different to him if the offer is in £, $ or BTC. If he holds the funds in one currency then it might go up or down against a different currency or he can immediately convert it into €.

    All the crypto and NFT stuff is just fluff, the nuts and bolts of the takeover would be the same as any other buyout. There will be a lump sum up front and then there will be a plan for financing the running of the club afterwards.
     

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