COVID-19

BBC News - Merkel: Germany hit by full force of Covid
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59320515


Looks like most European countries are going to used some form of vaccine passport for those not jabbed, let's hope we can keep if under some sort of control with our vaccine/booster roll out.

 

Are they? Will they? Who says? As far as I can see, there are very few restrictions on anything at present and the government has keeps reiterating that it has no plans to introduce any.

But, regardless of that, I still have no idea whatsoever why anyone wouldn't just get the bloody jabs. Millions of people around the world have had the jabs - some have had three of them. The numbers reporting problems with them are infinitesimally insignificant. Anti-vaxxers might as well be flat earth believers or UFO freaks as far as I can see.

 

They probably post on this forum.

 

Are you completely oblivious to the vaccine passport scheme happening right now throughout the UK (except England)?

You need to prove your vaccination status to enter cinemas, restaurants etc in wales for example.

Don’t even get me started on the travel sector, the amount of forms documents certificates etc you need to travel abroad is collossal.

Or how about the Austrians implementing a lockdown for those who don’t wish to participate in medical apartheid?

Take your blinkers off.

 

He has said several times he is against Covid Passports.

 

I live in England. So none of the things you've quoted apply to me.
Medical apartheid
Just get the fecking vaccine like normal people and stop whingeing.

 

I’ve had 2 doses, not that it’s any of your business.

Yes medical apartheid - threatening NHS staff with their jobs in the midst of a pandemic. Refusing to accept colossal amounts of scientific evidence that previous infection is more protective than any of the vaccines. A complete cover up of the latter by the MSM with a one-way pro-vaccine passport narrative. Causing divisions in society based on medical grounds.

You’re on the wrong side of history on this one.

 

65,371 daily infections have been reported in the past 24 hours in Germany.

The latest data available shows up to the 7th Nov Germany tested 1,166,712 tests which generated 184,505 positive tests.

However in the last 7 days 304,653 positive tests have been recorded but the number of tests are not available.

In last 7 days in the United Kingdom 272,733 positive tests have been recorded, this is taken from 6,118,595 tests.



England as it stands hasn't flinched (Scotland, Wales and NI are jumping) and cases are still ticking along as they have been for the last two months.

Why do the loons still keep asking for more restrictions when in places with restrictions cases are going through the roof?

Chris Whitty said for "Freedom Day" people will get the virus and it is better for people to get it now when the strains on the NHS aren't what they would be in the winter, and as it is turning out we have had millions of cases which have been manageable where as Germany and other areas of Europe have now pushed a surge of the cases we have had into one go and they look like they are about to suffer. It seems Chris Whitty has nailed this, when many were shouting for him to advise the government to keep everyone locked down under some type of restrictions.

The vaccine clear does work, otherwise deaths would be thousands per day and the reason it is working is because the massive number of deaths last year were all from the higher age range, so people of the lower age range not being vaccinated isn't really having much of an impact at all. Some are getting ill but not in the number that would be seen up the age range.

 

I'm massively pro-vaccine gut generally anti-restriction and anti-coercion. If you can't sell the benefits by simple persuasion then you're lost IMO. The things going on in Europe and in our NHS to an extent worry me enormously.

People who are simply anti-vaccine can't be helped - they can only be involved in discussion and hope they see the light but if they don't they are only significantly increasing the risks for themselves which is absolutely fine. I think the "get vaccinated for the greater good" ship has sailed now with the evidence on transmission and breakthrough infections, this isn't going away no matter how many people we get vaccinated or how long we stay in our houses, all the people who advocated those sorts of positions have not been correct as it has played out.

The tricky group are the people who are pro-vaccine but historically "pro-restriction".

Partly through fear they've got themselves into a position where every new restriction is welcomed and the reason why some won't comply is questioned. They're now in a position where they're accepting and pushing for things that if they'd been advocated and brought in on day one they would instinctively recognise as wrong and pushed against. There people need to figure out where their lines are - you can be pro-mask & pro-vaccine whilst also being horrified about segregated societies, partial lockdowns, people losing their jobs and social lives, etc.

Saying "just get the jab and it will be alright" is missing the point by a county miles.

 

I have seen someone this morning complaining that a school is running a choir service at Christmas. I mean if you are frightened of seeing children singing they fine take your children out of the choir, but don't start to lobby to have the whole thing removed.

Then again seeing things like this being broadcast on national TV stations doesn't help but fuel the fire.

 

I don't want to jump the gun because it is possible that England will simply follow mainland Europe's upward trajectory. There's just as little point "celebrating" when the UK's cases are stable when Europes cases are going up as the other way around. It can all change so quickly. It is very possible that by taking the risk to open up early they havetimes it better, we'll have to wait and see though.

The bold bit is the key point though isn't it. It's okay looking at mask effectiveness, vaccine passports, etc, etc in theory but then you can't ignore that cases sometimes grow anyway even when they are in operation.

I'd mentioned the other day that I found some of Europe's number to be a bit fishy in terms of the percentages of deaths to cases looking weird and I've spotted another one.

In the last 14 days there have been roughly 505,000 cases in the UK and we have 8,700 people in hospital
France have had 150,000 cases and they have 7,600 people in hospital.

So they have 30% of our cases but 88% of our hospitalisations in a country roughly the same size? At least one of the numbers there cannot be accurate.

 

Our cases are off the back of 12m tests, I would guess that France's cases are off the back of a fraction of those tests.

The issue arises when Germany finds more cases from a fraction of our testing figures as the true figure is clearly way above.

As for the video I posted, there was one person with some sense in there, "Will you be seeing unvaccinated people at Christmas?" "I don't mind actually, I'm fully vaccinated". The only bit of sense which came out of that piece.

 

Austria to go into full lockdown as Covid surges - BBC News

Days after Austria imposed a lockdown on the unvaccinated, it has announced a full national Covid-19 lockdown starting on Monday.

Well I knew locking the unvaccinated down would have no effect on cases, anyone could see that but I'm surprised that it only took them a few days to realise what daft logic that was. So a full lockdown in a part of mainland Europe.

Austria had FFP2+ mask requirements and Covid Passports in operation. Covid Passports are not valid if it is 9 months since your last jab.

In parts of Austria children over 6 had to provide a negative test.

The net effect of all these restrictions, the highest rates in Europe and a full lockdown for 10 days.


And still there are people here want us to follow suit and start having restrictions when we are currently fine with things the way they are. It's as if this virus will just pass regardless of what you do.

 

I’m not a fan of us or any other country going by cases, not that I’m saying that’s the sole reason Austria are going into lockdown, but cases are always going to look huge with such a contagious virus even in 5 years and we have to learn to live with it(as many have said for the last year). That was always met with well once the vaccine is rolled out we won’t need restrictions etc. Well it’s been nearly a year here and not to far off with the rest of Europe, sadly it’s as good as it will get unless we get a miracle vaccine that totally cuts transmission, or a drug that totally makes it non lethal to all. Either way cases aren’t what should be looked at and should be taken off the public announcements we get every day, but deaths and hospitalisations are what should be looked at when making any restriction decision. As the vaccines are as good as they’ll get for at least a while and most have had it who will have it(unless they suddenly started tying people down and forcing everyone to have it) some won’t and it’s probably as good as it’ll get now, certainly for the next few years minimum so countries need to accept that unfortunately health care is going to need more investment to improve staffing and beds and the deaths per year will likely increase. Suppose it comes down to what’s acceptable? That’s where opinions will differ, we’re heading into winter now, averaging around 150 deaths a day or it was when I last looked and around 8.5k in hospital. Although not ideal if that’s somewhere near the worst, it will certainly help when more boosters are given out plus when we go into the spring again then we should see it decrease again. So over a year like with any virus like this it will go up and down so it’s time to invest more in the NHS, jab as many as will have it but accept this is life now and not force restrictions at every possibility.

 

I agree, my posts a few back broke down the current hospital figures and the hidden detail in them. We get the "Big" figure to scare us to death, however when looking at those in hospital 45% of people went into hospital with covid, and 55% of people ended up catching covid whilst in hospital for other reasons. The media don't acknowledge this, they just blurt out 10,000 are sat in hospital, not the fact that 5,500 of them actually caught Covid in hospital but are in their to give birth, or have a broken leg.

This however is what happens when you go with a narrative that the vaccine significantly lowers transmission when it is marginal at best on the delta variant. So now everyone shits themselves when what they believed to be true turns out not to be and cases rise, where as others of us who realised the vaccine protects you if you get the virus aren't clammering for lockdowns.

 

A legal requirement to get vaxxed by 1st Feb 22 or there will be unspecified consequences.

And what did BJ say 1 or 2 weeks back. what starts over there probably comes here.

They can all go get $%£#.

 

Can not believe they, and you, didn't lead with the compulsion for everyone to be vaccinated from February in Austria

 

To be honest, the story has changed all morning. It was a couple of paragraphs when I posted the story. It's now a huge story with comments at the bottom.

It's not a good sell however. Come and get your mandatory vaccine which still doesn't give you freedom as you are all now locked down from Monday.

 

Anything can be legal as long as it goes through the correct process to pass it into law, which is why I presume they are not bringing it in till February. Suppose enforcement should be easy, they have access to everyone health records so if it is a fine to be issued they could just post them out.