COVID-19

Clapping for them with the same hands that voted for the party that repeatedly make their jobs more difficult.

 

Dear God, you're in a bad place aren't you...?

 

I always vote Conservative. However, politics is the last thing on my mind when I clap on Thursday evenings

 

Thank God Corbyn did something right then.......

 

I’d argue that politics is very important right now, not your Brexit shite, but the proper holding the government to account stuff, because getting this wrong costs lives. Literally.

 

Quite right. Proper politics, grown ups working constructively together, not cheap-shot childish nonsense.

 

My question would be Dennis is how do you stock pile date sensitive PPE? Nearly every type of PPE has a use by date, spend millions and stock pile PPE that wouldn't be fit for use when needed would be just as bad as our current situation.

Ventilators I assume aren't date sensitive so it is poor that nothing has been done. Beyond the ventilators, what PPE is it that is short?

 

The reality of NHS funding is down to GDP.

Labours track record of investment into the NHS is comparable with the tories since 1950

Since 1950 the % of GDP spent on the NHS has practically doubled.

If you are saying Tory party doesnt fund the NHS well enough then you also have to question Labours desire as, when they have been in power, they have not increased the % spend of GDP sufficiently enough to be classed as "investing in the NHS." They have merely kept the upward trend going.

https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-and-infographics/health-spending-as-a-share-of-gdp-remains-at-lowest-level-in

In fact Labour increased PFI involvement in the NHS after coming into power in 1997 thus reducing the % input from the government.

From WIKI
Two months after New Labour took office, the Health Secretary, Alan Milburn, announced that "when there is a limited amount of public-sector capital available, as there is, it's PFI or bust".[12] PFI expanded considerably in 1996 and then expanded much further under New Labour with the NHS (Private Finance) Act 1997,[13] resulting in criticism from many trade unions, elements of the New Labour Party, the Scottish National Party (SNP), and the Green Party,[14] as well as commentators such as George Monbiot. Proponents of the PFI include the World Bank, IMF and (in the UK) the CBI.[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_finance_initiative

My SIL works in the NHS accounting dept. She says there is a TREMENDOUS waste of resources at local level.

The NHS does need properly funding but it also needs properly managing.

And when I clap on my doorstep I am clapping for the staff and their duty of care to us all not the government.

 

No. I just don't like the hypocrisy.

You're clapping and saying thanks. Thanks for putting your life on the line for me and mine. They're putting their lives on the line because the people you voted in have left them short of the resources they need.

 

I'm not getting any more into it now, I've said my bit. Just hope that this is all remembered next time we vote.

I hope that this will be a watershed moment to be honest and everyone realises how important every single person is to make our society work.

 

On purpose...?

 

So if Corbyn had got the keys to number 10, we wouldnt have had this crisis then, am I right in thats your take on it then?
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Genuine question Hooch, in recent times when Labour were in power, what did they contribute to the NHS in comparison to a Tory goverment that makes you so tunnel visioned into actually critising people for clapping the NHS! Really strange thing to say.

 

No that's not my take on it. If Corbyn had got in we wouldn't have the ppe and ventilators magically would we? Nobody knew this was coming. However, the previous government ignored their own research into what would be necessary if there was a virus attack. You must agree they have seriously ballsed up there.

 

The reason they are putting their lives on the line, is because it's highly contagious, and there is a shortage of ppe, which is well documented.

To make the assumption that labour would have stockpiled ppe is ridiculous, which is what your doing with your comments recently.

They may of had more workers in place.... but it doesn't make a difference that these people are putting their lifes in danger.

Anyhow. I will continue to applaud these brave people that are trying to help everyone they can, whilst putting their lives on the line

 

I'm being harsh by calling out clappers and I'm doing that on purpose to make them feel guilty. When I see that the workers of this country are voting for the people crushing them down it makes me cross.

 

What the whingers won't acknowledge is if this virus had been a nasty cold then we could have coped, but what we are faced with is quite something else...

 

Please see several posts on this thread that make clear that the Tory government had an excellent idea of what would be needed if there was a virus attack from their own research.