Manager Rumour Thread

Where have I said I know what Rupp has got in the bank?. What I did say is the vast majority of it is tied up in business therefore he doesn't have money sitting there doing nothing.

 

It would seem from the interview that although mistakes were made, the priority behind the scenes was to ensure the financial stability in the day to day running of the Club from a business perspective. This he has more or less done. He has recognised the need for the required skill sets to be imported into the framework of the Club, to supplement and improve things off the pitch. Likewise, he has strengthened ties with Woodhouse Grove as an important facility for the development and education of youth recruits. Few, if any, other clubs have this comprehensive foundation structure at their disposal.The Club shop, managed 'in house', is an important step forward for us I think, and the pitch being invested in is another plus. For me, the jury is still out regards the Owners, but Edin appears sincere in his attempt to implement a strategy which will benefit the Club and enable progression on the field one step at a time.He has a lot of time for loyalty and trusts Greg's judgement on recruiting. Perhaps some of last season's problems were caused through him not being clear enough with his action plan, which caused frictions and confusion. However, he is the Chairman and there can be little mileage in confrontation, as he does appear to be making much needed progress within the structure of our Club.

 

Well it is at the expense of a competitive side because the money is coming from the same pot. We have less chance of getting promoted in the short to medium term.

The word young is pretty irrelevant. We are signing 23 year old's like Lachlan Barr and hoping he turns into Rio Ferdinand. 23/24/25 can still be sold on at 27/28 but you're less likely to unearth nuggets at that age as the scope for development is less.

The crux is the first team is considerably weaker over the next 5 years with this strategy.

 

Mine's still in.
I'v been practicing my lines..
"Yes Boss"
"Yes Boss"
"Yes Boss"

I might be in with a shout.

 

Good post, I'm sure Woodhouse Grove is a great step in the right direction development /education wise, but I'm not sure this part is correct with regards the training facilities.
The head is livid that the quote from Simon Grayson about our training facilities not being owned by ourselves and implying they were not good enough, was splattered over the local papers (and possibly further) unless they have apologised to Woodhouse Grove recently.

 

The 'youth' policy has to start somewhere. If 75% of the budget went on players below 20 who might be good in the future then I'd agree with your last line

Fact is and please don't take my word - go look at what Udders and Exeter did (or Crewe), you can still have both. However, progress will simply be slower, but it will be on a lot firmer foundation

Hence Udders haven't had a relegation for about 15 years and Exeter just one in that time. The latter has had a reputation have been the best footballing team in L2 for at least six seasons - they were the best team to come to our place when we got promotion

In other words, the worry that investment in 'youth' leads to lack of progress is unfounded if done thoroughly. And one thing I believe the current board to be is thorough which is probably why they take their time with recruitment, much to our frustration

I've always been envious of the Udders system, much to my annoyance. There's nothing better than seeing a Tom Clarke type player struggle to establish himself in a L1 side, get better and then end up captaining a good Championship team

With the money the Top 30 clubs have (i.e. including the likes of Derby, Forest, Norwich) there is simply no choice. Even QPR now realise this. In one of the most frank interviews I've heard from both Director of Footie and the Coach, both were more or less saying the only way is youth as there isn't any money to do much else. Not certain, why it's not good enough for us

And yes it is unexciting and requires patience and a long term view - exactly what footie fans don't want!!

 

Hudders are an awful comparison. Their owner pumped in tens of £millions. Our owners won't do that. So we can't do it the Huddersfield way.

Exeter is a better example. However, you make out they are a success story.

They got lucky with a group and got to the league one play-offs. Then the best players left because they could double their money elsewhere. They slipped into league 2 and had several years in the bottom half with a tiny budget. It's taken them ten years to produce Grimes, Ampadu and Watkins and sell them on. They also earned a fortune from 2 FA Cup games v Liverpool.

The upshot is a couple of play-off campaigns in League 2.
The academy will cost them a fortune to run.
Is it really worth it? Would Exeter be any worse off if they had put that money into the first team?

 

Once again how the feck do you know what he’s got tied up and what he’s got in the bank unless you’re Rupp or his accountant

 

Because when he took over with Rahic he said himself majority of his money was tied up in businesses in Germany. That's why he would spend fees on players short term but really wanted the club to generate it's own income as he couldn't do so long term.

 

Crewe Alex is an even worse example, this is there football backroom staff, 16 personnel how much is this costing them.

 

I’ll give rack and ruin another year before I really lose patience with them. Top ten next year is progress (just) on this year. Below that am I’ll start to believe they have 1. Not learnt lessons 2. Have no real ability to take us forward.

I’m no fan of laurel and hardy, but at least they had ambition (even if it was built on sand) despite not having the ability (means) to take us on.

90% of progress is manager driven, I never had confidence that Stuart could do that, but always had confidence than PP could. Mainly because he had a solid “team” behind him and Stuart had kenny/ abbo.

Time will tell but before we crucify the owners we need to give them adequate time to learn and not repeat mistakes. For me that’s three seasons with no real progression or two seasons of regression.

 

Wow.

The only benefit I can see, of this sort of set up, is you can underpay players until they are 24 as they do not have freedom of contract.

Their wage bill is probably pretty small.

Players get to 24 and they are off as they realise they can earn double elsewhere.

Where has it got them? Several bottom 6 finishes in League 2.

It's hard to get 5 or 6 good young players to come through the system at the same time.

 

Martin Drury 3rd fav with SkyBet now, although Warburtons odds have shortened slightly to 6/5

 

Posters keep posting these examples but as yet I haven't seen any club that have have been promoted to the Championship with that model, but then again if you don't want to get to the Championship maybe that's the way to go, but don't expect 19,000 or even 14,000 fans to pay £169 or £199 to watch a club with little ambition to be promoted.

 

He was 25/1 earlier this morning. I don't for one minute think he is getting the job but stranger things have happened. The meltdown on social media would be epic.

 

I suppose my patience has worn a bit thinner than yours, but on the whole that is a reasonable stance. One good year, one difficult one, and now the testing time: how will they respond? We do need to give them that chance, and I suppose we can't really decide until we get a new coahc/manager and fresh players. First marker then the start of the season, next one a few months in once everyone has settled in, January window I supppose the third; by then we really should know.

RCB

 

All lies they probably read Bantam Talk.

 

Strange thing is whilst it is plain to see that being a good player doesn’t make you a good coach. Being able to relate to players and getting them to understand tactics and motivation skills are very important. So if Drury interviews well and comes a cross well he probably has as much chance of succeeding as say Craig Bellamy who many fans would welcome just because he is a name

 

I did hope @Stevay_b was so wrong when he asked here https://bantamtalk.com/index.php?threads/manager-rumour.218/page-31#post-28038, and I still believe it's the wrong decision for him to possibly be in contention but as you say this is Bradford City.