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Elliot Watt

Discussion in 'Where are they now' started by Park bantam, Jan 14, 2021.

  1. Onside

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    We could have matched his wage demands if we wanted, but we have chosen not too. We have an experienced chief scout who is more used to operating at CC level. My guess is we have offered him market value because that is what MH believes he is worth and we have not gone beyond because we didn’t want to and we believed we could get the same or better.
     
  2. Kevin1954

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    Good luck to him and why not. It’s telling why not one L1 club hasn’t matched what Salford offered him in my eyes.
     
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    Three of our best players who have been replaced by higher quality recruits, which seems to be the consensus.
     
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  4. Sergio Pinto III

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    Weve replaced the 3 though...

    You didnt rate Paudie.
    Chapman has a better CV than Vernam.
    Smallwood vs Watt. No comparison.

    If those 3 had signed in May when contracts offered then we may not have signed the 3 who have come in since. It was going to take very substantial offers to keep all 3 and on previous showings - were they worth it?

    The answer is a very easy one.
     
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  5. Onside

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    I think your quip about the manager is simply wrong. Whether it is PL or LG2 the skills are the same. He had Hodges and Gent who both know the lower leagues very well. Last season he didn’t panic when we were dropping like a stone, calm as you like he kept to theories and practices and gradually stopped the bus, then started it going in the right direction. Now as far as I am concerned is class, with the players he had available last season.
     
  6. Sergio Pinto III

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    And is Watt worth a vast wage increase?

    Your mantra is 'we need to sign better'. Well we have so don't understand your issue.
     
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  7. Bronco

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    Pure guess work.
     
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  8. Fordy117

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    Yes, we have replaced the 3 which is great and look the business we have done is decent and more importantly we have a manager that gets the club. We are building but it might take time.
     
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    Well not really! If you understand football then you will get it.

    Clearly he has moved for the money to Salford.
     
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    I didn't disagree he's moved for a reason maybe as many have said nearer home similar to Vaughan and Vernam but you quote he's had a vast wage rise that's guess work on your part, much the same as many posts you reply to you don't know so it guess work.
     
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  11. Sergio Pinto III

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    We are building. I think the general consensus is we are still around 2 short. No harm in being optimistic. We are looking like we are on the right track.

    Its been a productive May/June.
     
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    I do agree with you Fordy, I said a few weeks ago that we may not be able to buy a new squad and be getting promotion come May. The squad may need a season to take shape and gain experience before 2 or 3 quality signings next summer for the final push for automatics.

    We’ve not even ended top half in a full season down here since our return, we have been a total basket case and clubs with high turn over of players and managers every season rarely get far. We finally have a manager who the fans have taken to and understands the pressures what comes with this club in league 2. But he isn’t Jesus it may take some time.
     
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    Div 1 clubs were meant to be after him and its Salford who do have money plus known for paying high wages in this division.

    Vernam joined a div 1 club so clearly that's mainly footballing reasons.
     
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    That I do agree with.

    The deals are are doing are not short term, as in 1 season. The club can't lose this season. I am sure we will improve on 14th and even if we finish 10th most of the the key players will still be here next season and we kick on again.

    If we finish in the top 7 this season then bonus we aim for automatic the season after.

    What I do like is that we have got rid of the Adams rubbish of not signing loans at the start of the season and we will use the loan market to improve us even more. I can understand people being optimistic but for once it seems like Bradford City does have a plan and I believe its to make sure we go up this season or next for sure.
     
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    The comparison between Watt is a false one imo. They are both midfielders but one is a defensively minded mf whose role is to break up the opposition's attacks and allow others to take control of the ball. The other is offensively minded who is continually looking for the pass to create a counter attack. Yes, he may play deep but that is to collect the ball and not to disrupt the opposition's attack. They would certainly complement each other but they are not alternatives. Watt certainly couldn't do Smallwood's role and I've seen nothing to suggest that Smallwood could take on the playmaker role. I'd have liked to have seen a Smallwood/Watt central partnership in c&a

    We haven't had a Smallwood role now for several years, probably not since Jones was here. And now having lost both Watt and Cooke, I don't yet see a central midfielder who can take on that particular role.

    Maybe Hughes doesn't feel we need a central playmaker/qb role or has recognised somebody else who can take it on. But I really doubt it is Smallwood despite his other skills. The skillsets of Smallwood and Watt are quite different.
     
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    Guess work on both counts, Watt would have been one of our top earners so I'll repeat you don't know he's had a vast wage increase, as for Vernam you would expect a league one club to pay players better, moving to a club nearer his wife and family, its Watts vast wage increase I'm calling you out on you don't know, the one thing you are correct on is City made an offer hoping he'd accept but knowing if he didn't the club would get money for him from the club he went to very good business on behalf of the club.
     
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    Because he is playing div 2 with Salford. Salford pay good wages. He hasn't joined them on reduced wages mate. Wake up!
     
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    Indeed - we’re favourites every year and it rarely comes to fruition!
     
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  19. Bronco

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    Still not replying to my comment ( now there's a first) you said he has had a vast wage increase I replied you don't know that for the reasons I've posted, stop moving the goal posts to suit your argument
     
  20. WilsdenBantam

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    Parker certainly seems to think it’s financial, I don’t know if anyone can see this link but I’ll try https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk%2Fsport%2F20238494.analysis-elliot-watt-swaps-bradford-city-salford%2F
     
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