World war 3....

Exactly, the one way narrative purposely dismisses that.

 

Jesus fcuking Christ. There’s some crackpots who post on here.

 

Indeed.

What the former Estonian Defence Forces chief said (see my post #135 above), and what I said (post #234 above) are now proven to be true -- one can expect atrocities, especially against women and children, and the disappearances in one way or another, of more prominent civilians, for example government officials. No shortage of relevant articles and pictures, on especially the CNN and BBC sites, but enough elsewhere too.

This, again, is depressingly familiar: destroy what you cannot have. When the Soviets left Estonia and the Baltics back in 1941, in advance of the oncoming Germans, they behaved in the same manner. There were specific "destroyer" units who saw to implementing a scorched-earth (and murdered-civilian) policy. We now see the same from Irpin and Bucha and no doubt will see it from everywhere else that gets liberated.

These are unquestionably war crimes, and given the rather broad modern definition of genocide, fit that charge as well. The pity of it is that the creatures responsible will, if they stay within Russia's borders, most likely remain untouchable -- barring an opening-up of Russian society that currently seems highly unlikely.

RCB

 

It takes a slightly warped viewpoint to see what is infront of your eyes and find another reason for it due to preconceived ideas.

Just because some resident - rightly - take up arms against their invaders does not make every citizen a legitimate target.

 

Rapes; decapitations; mass graves; forced deportations; children placed on tanks to deter attacks.

The scale of the atrocities points firmly to war crimes, not 'legitimate targets'.

 

No western country has commited more war crimes against innocent civilians especially against women and children than the USA but that is ok as judged as our side. Eeven evacuating Afghan they hit vehicles full of children but no action taken because the USA does not believe or will ever attend a war crime court

 

They are dreadfull reports but I will wait for more proof not forgetting the Ukrainian government is run by a TV production company specialising in propagander. Not saying they are not true but easy to fake so more proof needed

 

No one is denying that the USA has done many terrible things over the years, as has Britain. But none of that justifies what's happening in Ukraine at present.

 

I forgot to add, civilians shot in the back of the head with their hands tied behind their backs. Executing prisoners, whether military or civilian, is a war crime. These corpses have been witnessed by respected war correspondents like Jeremy Bowen. Surely you cannot believe that he is making this up?

 

I agree but would feel more comfortable if independent investigators went in now it is under Ukrainian control to verify the claims. Who is to say the Russians did it and not Ukrain troops who execute those civilians who they believe we're collaborators even there own army officers have been executed for this. by Zelenskyy

 

there are no shortage of peoplein western nations that want those responsible to stand trial for things like the iraq war

 

The thing is. I agree. Blair, Bush and many other US presidents are responsible for similar atrocities.

That doesn't make excusing relatively obvious Russian actions the right thing to do. Wrongdoing should be called out whoever is behind it.

 

Unfortunately our government is quick to silence anything against the narrative, whether it’s the Ukraine conflict, Covid etc.

They’ll only show us what they want us to be told. That’s not a ‘crackpot’ opinion, as some may suggest, it is a simple fact.

Reporters in the main stream British media can only broadcast and report on what their directive is, which is always based on an agenda.

But some people will be shown some unverified images of suffering, corpses et al and be first to make judgement.

If roles were reversed, and the USA were ‘invading’ Russia, does anyone seriously think the innocent Russian folk would get as much sympathy? I think we all know the answer.

 

War contains war crimes shock. What did people expect, someone waving a flag surrendering then all back to John and Mildred's for tea and cake?

War is shit. No one wins.

 

Ha the good old media, running round with their little flak jackets and kevlar helmets like an unarmed action man.
Both sides of the media fence manipulate for their own narrative.

 

Does anyone actually believe that the Ukrainians have any need to exaggerate or embellish any atrocities committed by the Russians...?

 

yes some do

 

First these civilian corpses were 'legitimate targets' because they had weapons to defend themselves (shock horror) and now they were collaborators with the Russians. Which is it? 300 collaborators in one town? Pull the other one.

 

They can be both it is not exclusive they are all of one type, When the independent investigators go in then we will see, One of the reasons for any doubt us that Zelenskyy owns a TV production company skilled in making videos which with Zelenskyy appointing those TV senior production company executives to senior appointments in his government then some doubt must exist, Am not saying the reports are not true but we should have doubts until independently verified,
BTW I do find it curious in these days of mobile phones that no one seems to have recorded these events and posted them We seem to be totally reliant on Ukrainian Army/ Government videos