BRE

I'll leave it to you to hand it over to the big bugger.

 

Absolutely no idea

 

What’s in it? The same as ‘what’s in it’ for where we’re seeing the same elsewhere. It’s virtue signalling, grand standing stuff. Maybe the club believe it’ll make them more attractive to sponsors, or players of colour, or maybe they’ve just jumped on the same band wagon as a number of other businesses and organisations.

 

Great idea. Get a couple of players who played in an era when black players suffered racial abuse week in week out to give BRE a tutorial in how to just carry on without making it look like it hurts.

 

How about it contributes to a fairer system of policing rather than racial profiling.

 

This and also from what I saw he wasn't running away. Why the handcuffs? Why not search the car then continue doing your job? I am right in saying his girlfriend didn't get handcuffed?

The situation made no sense. Yes, search him after that then just search the car and move on.

 

It wasn’t a race motivated search I’m 100% certain of that.
I bet if I had been driving that car, and I’m a small, fat white bastRd, I’d also have been stopped and handcuffed until the search was complete.

ps. No I’m not Mark Lawn lol

 

Them 2 were the worst...they wouldn't pass the ball to their white team mates.............lol

 

100% certain? You're placing a lot of faith in our police there.

 

I'm interested in what you see as a "fairer system" since all preemptive policing is done on perception and profiling.

The only way to stop people feeling like they're being targeted is to stop things like searches all together or to actually set quotas. What are your thoughts?

 

I think they should always have to act upon intelligence and as far as possible be able to back it up with evidence before searching someone or stopping their car.

In the case of the athletes, the police are saying they were stopped because they were driving erratically. All police cars should have cameras to record this as part of their evidence. All police officers should wear body-cams. There's no argument then.

In the case of BRE the reason for the stop is supposedly that his plates were on record. This should be easy to investigate, either they were or they weren't and I presume we'll find out in time now that it's being looked into.

I've got absolutely no problem with the police stopping and searching any person as long as they have a reasonable reason to do so. That's their job.

 

Fairer system of policing? Are you for real? A firearms marked vehicle was stopped. Driver was secured in cuffs until vehicle searched and paperwork examined/confirmed. Then occupants were released. Far too many policemen are subject to horrendous attacks and this could easily have been another. Nobody was hurt except poor BRE's feelings and pride in front of girlfriend. If this had been me stopped in a firearms marked vehicle, would the world stop spinning. Nope. World's gone crazy.

 

That's all fair I think.

I'm not sure whether we'll find much more out with BRE, if the plates are on the system they probably won't release details and if they aren't they'll just say it was an erroneous "ping". He will no doubt get an apology for distress either way.

As I mentioned I've been stopped 4 times, none of which was evidenced based but I kinda just accepted them since I viewed it as the polices job to be visible and proactive but I see that not everyone take it the same way.

Are you therefore happy that more drug and weapon crimes would go undetected as a result?

 

As I said, if the intelligence is correct then I have no problem with BRE being stopped despite that being an unpleasant experience for him. The police have to do their job. Let's see what comes from the investigation.

 

Why would more drug and weapon crimes go undetected as a result?

 

The police acted upon intelligence of which they didn't know was flawed. Contrary to popular belief police don't pull people over because of the colour of their skin, its a myth. They pull people over on the belief a crime or a breaking of the law has been committed. The colour of their skin is merely a byproduct of the system. By coincidence i'm just watching the business of drugs on netflix and the polices time and effort in dealing with the substances is something that needs looking at in great detail.
Back with the BRE incident, although i'm disappointed at the clubs open comments on social media on the incident, i'm a bit bemused on people having a go at the lad in question. I know if i'd been pulled over, handcuffed and have a live taser within feet of me whilst protesting my innocence i'd be more than a bit pissed off.

 

As said, we'll see if the intelligence is there or not.

As for your other point, why are BAME people much more likely to be stopped by police then?

 

Because that's where proactive police stops are most effective. Not perfect by any means but those are the areas (along with thefts) where stops without firm evidence do get some positive results.

Are you happy to lose those positive results? It's a genuine question.

 

Thats way more complicated for a football forum. But its not because police are institutionally racist against black people thats a lazy incorrect assumption made to suit a driven agenda.

 

Sorry Hoochy, missed this bit.

I don't know. Theres a lot of potential reasons quoted for it but it's probably complex. Unconscious (or even conscious in some instances) probably plays a significant role.

Similarly I'd wonder why more men are stopped than women or whey under 30s are more like to be stopped than over 30s?