BRE

Nope.

But 'plenty of people' makes it sound pretty significant - so I'm curious as to how significant it is?

 

If you must know I was drawing on my own experience. I've been handcuffed for reasons without foundation. (so I have some idea how BRE feels) Speaking to my solicitor I expressed my indignation and outrage and told him I wanted some redress. His advice was that in his experience (that's where I get plenty of people from because he was an experienced solicitor with plenty of experience of this sort of situation) you've got no chance, don't put yourself through it and just put the whole sorry episode behind you. I accepted his advice.

It riles me to some extent that high profile people manage to to go down this route with some success. If you accept that my solicitors advice was sound and I had no chance then it would seem that the system works differently for different people. So we're back to the beginning. BRE is perhaps thinking he was treated differently to begin with but at least he has a route open to him that was denied me.

 

That's interesting that you're putting stock in your solicitor's advice. He told you don't bother.

BRE's may tell him that, actually, perhaps he should pursue it for whatever reasons, the context of the social climate, whatever.

If you listened to the advice you got and that's good enough for you, actually surely you're in a prime position to accept without question that BRE might do the same without second guessing that he thinks he should be treated differently?

 

If he is claiming "alarm and distress" the WE should be suing him and his teammates for last season.

 

Do we know when it actually happened?

 

You had the choice and the right to pursue it if you wanted to, but on advice chose not to. This is one of the reasons why the police, big institutions and large companies get away with treating "the little man, the BAME, the poor" how they do.

Your solicitor couldn't be arsed, but if more people stood up (and not having a go at you), did, then change can happen. BLM is just one group who've had enough of the police stopping people on a whim and then claiming to have good cause. BRE was guilty before proven innocent in the eyes of the officers who stopped him. As has already been said, if they seriously thought he might be armed, there would've been an armed unit on the scene.

In my opinion, this was just a "oh look, what's he doing in that car, let's stop him and have a look". Subconscious racism if you will. It's something we all have, but until it's pointed out to us, would probably be denied by the majority including me.

 

Its bo;;ocks , what next ? , you only stopped me because i'm Polish - you only stopped me because i'm white middle aged ( highest in drink driving ) . Soon the Police are going to be powerless . I drive a car never been stopped why ? . It's because it's taxed - it's got insurance - its got a legit MOT certificate , the car hasen't got a dodgy past ( i checked ) . If every Police stop is classed ( involving the BAME) community ) is proceded by " you only stopped me because " ( insert relevent statement ) would the situation arise that they think lets not bother for fear of the race card and litigation ? . The aims of groups that infitrated BLM ( the cause was just at the start ) is to defund the Police amongst many other actions , the vast majority in this country whatever race - creed - or colour have no problems with the Police and have very little contact . Mistakes happen , but if you rush to social media - the press etc it gives a very false view of the situation and makes it look like it happens everyday when clearly it is not the case . Anybody that says anything that goes against the current " mood " is classed as racist , this drives the discussions back underground .

 

May have missed something here but if the club owned the vehicle then I could possibly see why they are getting involved especially with the cloned plates issue if not it's a matter between BRE and the police I wouldn't expect my employers to get involved if it happened to me in a car I owned

 

I’m a white middle aged bloke - and therefore obviously evil by association. Although I have a non-English background, so maybe that compensates for my sins a little. Been stopped and searched by police twice in my life, once while driving. They explained their reasoning. No issues.

This is where we are now - any stop and search of a BAME person will be demonised and automatically branded a racially prejudiced event. The job of the police is becoming more and more untenable, and you’re right - there’s a clear agenda to stigmatise the police. I hope to god that this defunding nonsense dies the death it deserves to. It’s madness. I can see stop and search powers being removed - the fact that when stop and search was scaled back for a period under Teresa May, crime rates went up, won’t matter a jot.

 

Doesn’t matter Trial by social media, much more fun.

 

If you read what he is saying he is not complaining about being stopped it’s his treatment afterwards just like the two athletes

 

The 2 Athletes who commited traffic offences ie hard braking hard acceleration driving on the wrong side of the road , the same athletes who police body cam footage proved they did and said nothing wrong , them 2 athletes ?.

 

What treatment? Being handcuffed and a taser being ready? I'm not an expert, but on the basis of why they were stopped that sounds like sensible precaution.

From the video I've seen, everyone was pretty calm and rational. I saw nothing derogatory in the way the police spoke to him or his partner. 'With everything that's going on, you're doing this to me'. There you go, an instant race card being played by BRE. Hopefully the facts emerge - I'm assuming the 'intelligence' that the police had will be on record and made available to the lawyers now investigating. And I may be wrong, but I'd doubt with the racial sensitivity that does exist right now, that the police would maliciously stop and search a BAME couple on fabricated evidence. Especially when one of the officers involved was BAME.

Lets see what the facts bring, but based purely on the info available right now, it looks like more racial over-sensitivity and virtue signaling to me. Th*s shit, and the club's reaction to it, are not the way to deal with racial tensions and issues.

 

What treatment? The police were perfectly calm and rational. Let us know Park.

 

He was cooperative with them. Let’s see what happens if it goes to law. Good on the club for supporting him

 

Believe me it really wasn't a case of my solicitor not being arsed, his advice was based purely on the prospect of success.

The handcuffing itself has nothing to do with the police thinking someone is guilty or not. All they are thinking about is their own safety. In my own case the officers actually told me that they would spare me the indignation of cuffing because of my calm demeanour. Later when what was happening started to sink in I verbally kicked off and straight away the cuffs came out. If I'd of been them I'd have done exactly the same thing.

So long as those markers are based on genuine intelligence, BRE should be getting the same advice that I got. Certainly there's nothing in the video untoward and the officers behaved professionally. The fact that he will probably get some sort of redress will be down to it being high profile and a political hot topic at the moment. It appears to me BRE is exploiting these facts and this exposes other inequalities.

 

A senior police officer (metropolitan I think) was on the radio a few weeks back when the BLM campaign was starting in this country. He told that members of the black community in his area were massively supportive of stop and search on account of the number of young black people being stabbed, shot and intimidated by other black gang members. The police just can't win. As you say their job is becoming impossible.

 

You didn’t answer the question. You had an issue with “his treatment”. What treatment please?

 

Last time I was stopped was sometime in the 1970's, pissed as a fart after a night at Batley variety club, probably had 5 pints or so....only thing bobbies were interested in was getting a light of the wife for their ciggies...

 

If I had committed a traffic offence I wouldn’t expect to be put in handcuffs. He committed No offence he wasn’t aggressive in any way