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Discussion in 'City Talk' started by simons (woking bantam), Mar 13, 2019.

  1. Bigrod

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    Is Payne the 2018/2019 equivalent of Carbone?

    A joy to watch, but too costly, brought in by an ‘Owner who Knew Football’, perhaps a ‘luxury’ player, who with ten other very strong players could flourish.

    Will he also be part of a team which was relegated, because the recruitment and dramatic tinkering with a team which had evolved, was too much?

    Seems to me that there are a lot of comparisons.
     
  2. Idlebantam

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    Only 9 games left now Bronco. We need to win the next 2 games to give us a chance.
    Whatever happens, would like to see Bowyer here next season
     
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  3. bantam2708

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    I don't agree with this "luxury player" nonsense. Without him we'd already be down.
     
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  4. Park bantam

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    The team looks better balanced without him now though. Although used as a sub he could be a match winner
     
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  5. RonnieBrown

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    Prior to the January Window, Payne represented 'Good value for money', within the squad and system at that time. Things have since changed ......... not least the cost of his services.
     
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  6. Briggus

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    Maybe but do you know what we are paying for Butterfield a lot of conjecture around what we are. There are lots of twists and turns especially around the transfer window in January - we do not know the full facts of what the position was behind the scenes as it came clear what financial damage had been done by Mr Rahic and how it restricted our transfer activity to what Hopkin sought and had been promised earlier
     
  7. Fordy117

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    After 1 win.

    Behave! He has a job to do and still to prove his worth at this club. Results business!

    Never ever have low standards!
     
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  8. bantam2708

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    Disagree. The team is looking more balanced because we are finally playing a system/formation which is appropriate for the players we have. Not because Payne isn't in it.
     
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    Not just basing my thoughts on the 1 win.

    I like his style of football, he did a very good job at Blackpool, getting them promoted out of the 4th tier at the first attempt. I believe he did a decent job at Blackburn too.

    Dont want to start looking for a new manager again in the summer either. I wish he had been given a longer contract, and I still dont understand why he wasnt
     
  10. Park bantam

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    Yes but the system works better with either Butterfield or Payne playing at the moment Butterfield is the better option
     
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    HAS been the better option, not neccessarily the best option. Butterfield was very good on Sat and pretty average again on Tuesday. Payne's a better goalscorer and better offensively. Butterfield is better in a midfield 4. The system would be better with both Payne and Butterfield in it but we have problems upfront that can't accomodate both.
    The problem isn't either of them or them playing together, the problem is Doyle and/or Ball. Because neither of them are target men Payne has very little to feed off. I think Payne was sacrificed against 2 strong powerful sides in Luton and Peterborough but could be brought back in on Saturday against Oxford.
     
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  12. Onside87

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    Jack Payne has 9 goals and 5 assits this season. He has contributed to a third of all our league goals. He should be playing.
     
  13. marshy77

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    I agree.

    If you can't fit him into this City side then lets be honest we are f**ked.
     
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    Because he has results to achieve and the aim is to keep us up.

    2 games and you're saying give him the job? Do me a favour. He will get judged at the end of the season.

    I'm glad he wasn't given a few years contract because everything have to be put into keeping us up.
     
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  15. Bronco

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    How do you measure low standards, Id suggest that can only be measured by what money is made available by the owners.
    We couldn't compete with the likes of Sunderland, Peterborough, Fleetwood, etc are we failing because we can't match them finacially.
     
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    Payne is a gifted footballer but Carbone was different class,a little genius
    and the most technical player BCFC have ever had.
     
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    If Bowyer doesnt keep us up, are you saying we should be looking for yet a another new manager in May?. If so, when we appoint one, by your reckoning we give him a 2 month contract to see how he gets on?
     
  18. Fordy117

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    Tough... results business!
     
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  19. Fordy117

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    If he keeps us up then he 90% gets the job for me if he doesn't then it's 50% as they're so good managers available and more will be available in the summer.

    Look, I am not seeing past Oxford but Bowyer, the players, the supporters all have a job to do on Saturday.. we need to bloody win!
     
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    Then having found a winning formula he completely changed it for the Barnsley game and everything fell apart from that point on. When you look at Hopkin's actions, both on and off the pitch, in his last two months it becomes more and more bizarre.
     

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