Flyover Confirmation & Suggested Open Letter to Press Outlets

You've totally lost me. What was I implying? I find it fascinating that someone who joins in the open abuse of Park, is strangely sensitive to the use of the word 'decent'

 

We have a very good reputation with the fans of other clubs, because we always bring plenty and largely behave. I know several fans of other clubs, due to my travels around the country- who have admired us even in the bad old days, for not deserting. I have the same respect for the Plymouth and Portsmouth fans - who had the same downward spiral as us

The banner, in displaying on the same day as the minute silence has the capacity to undo this reputation (goodwill)

Just my view - carefully considered. Not posted to wind anyone up. Posted to add a view to the debate. I think that's what we're supposed to do?

 

Can you explain further? What disconnect? This seems like a random comment thrown to distract. Clearly you have a 'reality'. What is it?

I'm in no hole. History backs my view up. There's hardly anyone who can come up with a convincing situation with where protest etc ever works at a football club

But please, please put me right. Tell me the master plan.

 

Can you explain further? What disconnect? This seems like a random comment thrown to distract. Clearly you have a 'reality'. What is it?

I'm in no hole. History backs my view up. I've given you cast iron proof of a Chairman / Owner who altered their stance, took a step back and the club benefited. Amazingly having the right manager was crucial to this - who'd have thought eh?

Sunderland fans moaned for years about Short and he only got out when he's relegated them two divisions and it cost him millions

The Oystons are still very much in control of Blackpool. They've been moaning for a decade and been toxic in their dislike ever since they got that Huddersfield match postponed

Where's the disconnect with this? Which of this isn't real?

 

You are obviously against democracy, if you want to get rid of two people who's views you don't like

You do realise that this is a forum for City fans to debate issues? This means that some views will be liked and disliked - the idea we move on

I'm on these boards forever, unless I get banned. Join in and debate - some of us simply don't think the club is beyond repair. Simple really. It's another view

 

My head will be bowed in shame

I don't believe in protests, they rarely do any good and it gives the impression that the protester doesn't have the skills to debate - which of course the person who they are protesting against can then exploit

 

The club isn't beyond repair? Have you watched any of the football this year? You do realise why we are rock bottom with the worst record of any team in 2018? You see, i'll keep asking until you give the right answer. No matter what you think this club is finished with Rahic at the helm, we've hit the iceberg because the captain has not got the skills to steer the ship and we are a few games away from manning the lifeboats. Most of the problems here could have easily been avoided.

I will leave you with these facts. In a calendar year we have lost 5 on the spin 3 times after only recently before that having the record for not losing consecutive matches. 12 losses out of 16 games this season. 4 managers in 2018. The worst feeling around the club i can remember in 40 years of watching them. Thousands of fans not renewing season tickets and thousands others not attending games. I could go on.
If that is enough for you to have lost faith in the ownership of this club then i worry for you.

 

its not like buying a stamp from the post office it takes time, and when it does happen i will gladly give you the cloth to wipe the egg off your face.

 

Completely disagree.

Protests are invariably in response to something people disagree with, when they don't have the immediate power to influence through dialogue. Often, the person or the organisation they are protesting against does not want to listen or engage. Does any of this sound familiar?

A very recent example to me locally, Gary Neville wanted to build all over some greenbelt land. The council were content to allow him to do this. A significant protest ensued and Gary Neville decided to do his building elsewhere. Protest, done well, can sometimes influence change.

I don't believe the flyby reflects any inadequacy in the debating skills of those who support it, including myself. It is a reflection of the current situation and a feeling of helplessness with regard to altering the decline of the club.

 

What’s the alternative? Keep clapping along happily and let our club spiral into ruin, without challenging or letting our feelings be known?

Have you even seen the performances this season? It’s like watching 11 headless chickens. Edin has created this ‘team’ from what was a solid core with character and dimension. We’ve gone so far backwards in 10 months it’s unbelievable. And you will have your head bowed in shame? Seriously?

Why not give him another opportunity to put things right eh? Just like the past 4 managers he has hired who are all completely different further proving he has no idea which direction he wants the club to go in and is continuously gambling (with a low budget).

Have a real think about what’s going on.

 

Why is he even on this forum?

 

Show me the evidence the board are bending over backwards? Unfortunately they’ve made promises before and haven’t followed through, why believe them this time? You’re correct Vincent Tan has turned it around, the Venkys have at Blackburn, Rupp can by appointing a respected leader, but I Rahic has to go, his credibility is shot.

As for suggesting this is a backlash against sacking McCall. That’s just plain wrong. The decisions made from then until now yes, 100% because they have lead to where we are now.

 

We are in the third year of the owners tenure.
In that time bar NKP the entire first team squad has been replaced. As have 4 managers. As have multiple coaching staff, administration staff & Chief Exec. The club is absolutely a reflection of these decisions over the 3 year period. We’ve fallen from our recent playoff final peak to a side scrambling for an identity and with the worst record in the country in 2018.
The personnel at the head of the organisation have made these key changes and are ultimately responsible for the framework that the club is based upon. We are bottom of the league. IT HAS NOT WORKED. Hiding from the reality that we are the worst team in the country will not prevent us from being relegated. It will prevent thousands of fans renewing next season. It is ensuring disharmony among our fan base. Because we care but don’t all agree on the way forward. That said the majority want Rahic removed.
The sooner Rahic leaves the sooner the fan base can unite snd the club can become stronger. Without this the toxic atmosphere will continue and relegation will gather pace. Help Hopkin. Rahic resign.

 

Drama Queen.... Sorry didn't mean to assume your Gender...Drama Person

 

Different times @City-since-67, early days lets see what happends when Edin returns.

 

And in the meantime, some of us are doing something rather than just talking

 

It's quite interesting though because as you both stumble over to criticise what @SimonW says two observations become clear;

- you reinforced his point about how everyone isn't pulling together by dismissing him and instead carry on up the more divisive 'its ok, he's wrong, we're right road

- in your urgency to show how wrong he is you actually missed the really good point that was made in 'how do you maintain the movement'. It's taken an effort to get the flyover organised and there was an opportunity to bring more people to the cause but I tend to agree to with Simon, most people will watch, laugh etc but they'll not easily know where to go next if they want to get onboard especially as even the T&A hasn't printed this boards name on the paper today so perhaps the next best thing to do is get a number of people to put the website name in the comments.

Either way, I agree with Simon - the flyover is not the end it should be the beginning and the next steps need planning out.

 

Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. but it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

 

Hopefully with recent press articles and maybe more to come this public showing of fans unrest will be enough, Rupp has got involved for a reason making his latest statement.
Lets hope when he graces the club with his presence there might be big changes made, things had to change, I'm sure even though he not a football man he could see the club was in free fall and his investment was in danger.