UNFORGOTTEN : BRADFORD CITY FIRE

Your standard Settee back in the 80s was likely to contain polyurethane foam, Escalator in underground stations were made of wood and had been running since the early 1900s, stands up and down the country had to be closed and condemned and as the program stated last night, many fires had already taken place but because no lives were lost they were turned a blind eye to.

You are comparing today's standards with common place practice in the 1980s. It shouldn't take disaster for things to change, however it usually does.

 

There is no need for guilt
We have all done what we could on the day and in the subsequent years, especially with the year on year funding for the burns unit

 

Certain owners of Certain "businesses" chose to flaunt safety regulations.
They used a loophole that the regulations were, for lower league clubs, more or less self governing.
They legally answered to no-one but themselves as legislation didnt force them to comply.
They had the Green Guide. But ignored it.

This was not acceptable. Even if was happening.

 

The fire could and should have been prevented but it wasn’t down solely on the then powers that be. There was little money about in those days many small clubs had run down stadia and little in terms of health and safety. The rubbish under the wooden structure had built up over many years and it’s a wonder it didn’t happen sooner. Fires at other grounds should have triggered warnings.
56 people had to pay the price but if there can be any good coming from a situation like this it is grounds now are very much safer and treatment for burns is much better

 

So you have an axe to grind with Stafford Heginbotham. We live in a world where usually if something isn't a legal requirement and only advised, then little notice is taken of it, and that tend to apply to absolutely everyone. You've literally just spelt out that things weren't outside of the legal requirement or legislation, which will have been the same across the whole of the sport.

As I said previously, many people look at Bradford and Hillsborugh and know looking back this could have been any club at any time such was the way more focus was put on crowd control rather than crowd safety.

 

@The Moral Compass. Guilt is often associated with loss. You lost a lot that day, just a lad before it happened. Your innocence torn from you and PTSD does not just go away, it can sometimes take a lifetime to be able to live with what happened. Please be kind to yourself and forgive the young you who wanted to live. In extreme situations as this you preserve your own life, that is perfectly normal.

I fortunately wasn’t there, however I watched on TV that fire and it is still the worst event that I have watched. The pictures of that fire moving at speed over the stand will live with me until the day I exit this life.
I can’t bring myself to watch the program.

 

You could say any owner prior to Stafford was just as responsible. The stadium was in such a state of neglect and had not been updated in decades, other than flood lights
You could say the FA we’re remiss and should have enforced better standards for spectators
It was an accident waiting to happen with these old wooden stands and it was ill fate that this happened to us
The time for any repercussions if there where any to be had , have long gone

 

Stay focused.
The point being made is that in 1985, it was not acceptable to flaunt fire safety.

 

Actually. No. You couldn't say that.

Yes. They may have also flaunted fire safety.
But if you were to buy a car that hasn't had an MOT for 4 previous owners. It's your responsibility & your responsibility only if you crash cos breaks don't work.

 

No the point being made is you have an axe to grind with the club owner of the time.

 

What is wrong with my content?

 

You're the one bringing his name up.

And you're the one arguing against my very clear statement.

In 1985, it was not acceptable.

 

You mentioned it before I did.

"Certain owners of Certain "businesses" chose to flaunt safety regulations."

 

Looks like there posts have been removed.

 

You've confirmed my statements as correct.
I did not mention him.
I did blanket mention businesses etc.

Strange. You linked it purely to Stafford Heginbothan.
Hmm.
Wonder why?

Oh and I'll say again, as you're still avoiding it:

In 1985 it was not acceptable.

 

I'll be honest. I'm checking out of this thread because of your wild conspiracy theories. I have seen your twitter posts which seem have have been geared towards making it about you in the run up to the 40th anniversary and your axe to grind.

Enjoy your day.

 

And still, regardless of whatever excuse or accusation you make.

In 1985 it was not acceptable.

 

Same reason I bailed out. Gave the benefit of doubt but when the narrative was in full flow on twitter while we were still celebrating on the Saturday I gave up.