2024 Released Players & City transfer rumours

Difference between them is you knew Hanson would get 10/15 every single season but he'd also get around 5 maybe more assists in the league too, Oliver just hasn't consistently produced his entire career in terms of goals or assists he is so undependable.

People bring up his one season where he scored a lot before signing for City, but it's not like he had a great 'season'.... he had a fantastic 10 weeks, scoring 13 in 15 games. Other than that it was typical of his entire career where he was largely ineffective in terms of goals and assists.

 

Like i said, it does not add up to me, i do not know any of the ins and out of Bradford city financials, but the maths does not appear quite right.
Its Rupp's business, he can spend what he wants, but at least get your imformation that you are putting out to add up and not contradict.

 

and there won’t be the transparency when accounts are released as these are partial.
I still think we’ve shifted more wages out from last year than have come in-it’s the usual Bantam leadership smoke and mirrors

 

Can rule out jay matete just signed for Bolton , sure we was close to getting him!!

 

Which blind sided both Mark Hughes and @Park bantam

 

The point is he was playing well and scoring goals for the two previous seasons in a higher league before we signed him so the attraction was obvious. Wether or not he suited the style of play Hughes wanted is another question

 

The point is he played really well for 10 weeks out of two years. Quite a lot like Jake Young ............... why can't you just accept he was an exceptionally poor signing, and a striker of Hughes quality should have been able to see right through that and leave well alone.

When he leaves, he will go down in the same breathe as Theo Robinson & Kurtis Guthrie and be filed in the draw marked rank waste of money. He's pants and 15 goals in 13 games three years ago will never hide that, however many sponsors voted him as man of the match because they wanted five minutes of his shortlived glory

 

Your wrong he had a good record both in scoring and general play over the two years in a higher league. We better leave it there because we aren’t going to agree

 

I agree that Hanson has produced way more for us but he wasn't scoring 15 league goals a season, he never did it in his whole career, at least at league level anyway.

The point was though that describing 17 league goals as "bang average" is laughable when we're lauding inferior totals and in truth, we'd snap their hands off for any striker barring Cook to hit that total this season.

 

Isn’t there a separate thread for Oliver, or do we need one for Hanson now?

 

That for me is the biggest point in the whole Vadaine Oliver City saga. He scored 26 league goals in 82 games in the seasons before joining us. Debatable if that's a good return or not, suppose it depends on your stance. However, there is no chance in hell a manager who wants to play a possession based 4231 like Hughes did that pre-season should be given Vadaine Oliver. Even when we signed him, the write up was that he was fantastic with his head, a donkey with his feet at Gillingham, which goes against everything a possession team needs to be. Then when you add a 3 year contract into it, it's really one of the most baffling signings in modern times.

 

With the Salary cap management protocol it's not quite as simple as taking the turnover and finding what the wages is as a %. The turnover we announce will be gross turnover but the EFL use net turnover so our gross income for 22/23 was announced as £8.5 but for the purposes of the EFL turnover calculation it will be less as there will be lots of different costs to take off. Also the player wage costs include extras like any signing on fees and bonuses. The other complication of the EFL's SCMP is that it is done one assumptions so we will have submitted a plan to the EFL in June for this season then we will submit another plan in December ahead of the January window. That creates a lot of guessing and trying to predict the future, if we set the plan based on offloading the likes of McDonald and Oliver then because we've not done it we either have to find more money from somewhere else or make cut backs on spending. Also if we are expecting promotion then we have to plan any promotion bonuses based on that which would reduce the wage budget further.
The EFL are a lot more responsive to this than the Premier League and they will put teams under an embargo and business plan if a club is due to get very close to breaking the rules like West Brom have had this week.

 

Of course I'm not going to agree, because I'm not wrong, and neither will anyone else, you just can't see the facts that are staring you in your face because you are blinded by one season.

He had one purple patch of 13 games in his entire career where he scored something like a goal a game. The other 11 & half years of his professional career are appalling for a player who is employed as his team's main goal scorer. How many times do you need to read that in his entire career he has scored more than 10 goals in one single season.

It doesn't matter if that's in league one, or the premier league, for 90% plus of his career he has had an awful strike rate and that should have been considered when we signed him.

On the basis of your logic you would have signed Tom Pope because he once scored 31 in a season yet only scored 100 in the other 450 games he played.

It doesn't matter how you flower up one good (part) season. In EFL football Vadaine Oliver has scored 66 league goals in 350 matches. Put that into context - it's less than a goal every five matches, or an average of nine a season. Show me where those are even approaching acceptable for a 6ft 2" centre forward.

He's a been a complete and utter waste of money and whoever signed him fell into the same trap you have of looking no further than one season.

The sooner we get him away from his wage stealing role, the sooner we can consign him to the history scrapbook of crap strikers.

 

That's just plain mad. There is no such thing as "net turnover". Turnover is income, anything less expenses is Gross Profit.

 

Don't even think about mentioning James hanson in the same breath as Oliver. He's not fit to suck Hanson's laces clean.

 

interesting view from town breaks down the elements commercial, player trading and owner equity. Don’t believe for one second Rupp is doing the latter in regards to the playing budget.

 

Can’t imagine they’re is much if any difference with league 1 rules and the town CEO
Confirms owner input is limitless.

 

Wrong but I will let you have the last word as I am sure you will reply

 

You letting someone else have the last word on some of your more obstinate views is a laugh - despite your endless protestations Oliver has been a lousy signing and your mate Sparks giving him a 3 year contract is one of the worst recruitment decisions in recent years, and lets face it there is serious competition!

 

I have never claimed Oliver as a success he has been a complete failure but without the benefit of hindsight based on his form of the previous two years it looked like a good signing