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The question of who should manage the team is unimportant.

Until, that is, we have sensible leadership in place at board level.

Mccall is a good manager. Grayson is a good, slightly more proven manager.

Both have been made to look distinctly average to this point.

I don't care who the manager is next season; they won't be the one on trial for me, because it's quite clear the issues are more senior.

Badly run clubs tend to perform badly. Blackpool and Sunderland were in the Prem not so long since.

 

When you're comparing the two (including when you think about the runs in your previous post) then once again you need context.

In pretty much all of McCall's season's the target was promotion - both in league one and league two. Whereas in at least 2 of Parkinson's seasons his target was to avoid relegation or consolidate.

Parkinson also had at least 2 significant distractions in terms of the cup runs. Something McCall never had.

Parkinson's overall stats will always look worse because of his first season and the fact he then had a season adjusting to a new league.

As always with stats then context is important to lead you to the correct conclusion.

That's not to say that McCall should have been sacked for his poor run but the facts and figures comparing the two aren't quite apples and apples.

 

You seem intent on only highlighting positive stats for McCall and negative for Parkinson not really balanced is it? Did Parkinson not like the way you cleaned the kits Taddy?

 

Staunch McCallist here, who believes he should have been allowed to see out his contract. Would I want him back for a third go though? Hard to say, but it might be best to just let it be now. There's still a sense of unfinished business, and I would dearly love to see him lead us up the divisions, but I would not want to see a third ultimately unsuccessful attempt at that.

Grayson? Not impressed by the attitude or the performances so far, but it's not his side, and at least he does know football.

Parkinson? Circumstances were right for him the first time around, but would it still work with new owners who are not Lawn & Rhodes?

And that leads me to the real problem here: ownership and its behaviours. What will we have? Current owners with changed behaviours, current owners with current behaviours, new owners with who knows what kind of behaviours -- at minimum two different kinds of manager would come into play.

So whether it will be new owners or the current ones with lessons learnt, Grayson could work; perhaps also someone relatively young and new, who's had success lower down and is looking to move up, might be considered. Luton's Jones would be one example of the type of manager I'd be thinking about.

RCB

 

'Slightly more proven manager' is a massive understatement. 4 promotions from this league with 4 different teams suggests to me he is a much more than slightly more proven!

 

Which is surely what we need right now!!! Give me old fashioned hoof to get us promoted out of this league over tippy tappy McCall style team with no bottle when things go against them

 

see here is another one that changes with the weather.

McCalls tippy tappy had us outside the top 6 on 4 occasions. Twice at the very start of each campaign.

Last year we were undefeated at home with tippy tappy. But guess what we had a squad. An a very decent first 11.

Everyone knew at the start of the season players replacement was not to the standard leaving. Yet some blamed McCall not the recruitment. Now the proven manager has done little to improve. Guess what its the players fault. Ha ha

Wake up its the head coach fault!

It was ALWAYS A MONEY THING

McArdle to old, ha ha. He did not fit into our new recruitment of enhanced wages. None of the old guard did.

 

Not so.
I was one of Parky's biggest fans, and Grayson was always my number 1 choice to replace McCall.
Without a budget to match the likes of Wigan and Blackburn, for example this season, their style is more suited to bringing success to Bradford City in my opinion. Mo matter what you may think of the owners, they are never going to realistically spend the type of fee and wages to bring the best players like Bradley Dack here to be able to play great attacking football and succeed.
I always backed McCall as manager out of respect and love for the man, but I was still one of very many who didnt want him back for a second spell 2 years ago, when Parky left.

 

Main difference being McFarland and Cherry got us promoted, although McFarland was of course from the 4th tier. McCall didnt manage promotion in either league. Parky got us promoted, and led us to a major cup final. Grayson has an unprecedented record of 4 promotions from league 1. Give me success over tippy tappy football, which by the way, wasnt exactly a joy to watch.

 

I will give you the facts that count
Year in year progress from a much lower base
Promotion
A major cup final
One of the biggest cup shocks in history as against hardly any cup wins
And responsible for a major upturn in the club finances

You are wasting your time trying to say that Stuart’s stats come anywhere near Parky,s where it mattered

 

Think you've got that the wrong way around!

 

Bullet points

- The window opened 1st Jan.
- Goal Keeper and Full back are required pronto! If we are serious and in fact ready.
- Injury hit team after Fleetwood win. Yet 1 point behind Blackburn
- Yeovil disaster - No fit fullbacks
- Hendrie gone, McMahon on strike
- Rahic speels about being automatics is not outwith our aim
- Defeats follow and yet no activity as we use square pegs for round holes.
- Rotherham defeat- Kilgallon says it as it is. Crowd turn on Edin.
- WooH the game of poker Edin spoke about shows its hand as recruitement arrives.
- 1 week later, we sack the manager.

And to follow. We know what was to follow.

So was the game of poker Edin spoke to the T&A about early January worth it? To save a few pennys!

 

McCall had the best win % in the league Since Roy McFarland. He had the best win rate in all competitions since Trevor Cherry. He had us outside the playoffs in 4 games during his second tenure both at the very start of each campaign. His football was a joy compared to Parkie and Grayson.

Yet because he is one of our own we thinks its sentimental.

 

That's your personal preference and fair comment, but we have got to a play off place with both types of football, (I know this comment will not be liked) but I think if Hanson had been available for both Millwall games we would have had a far better chance of advancing to the Wembley play off final under Phil Parkinson.

 

If the recruitment team (Abbott/McCall) are useless at judging players and bring players that are not able to play at the level required then even the best manager in the world would struggle to get them to compete,
What we need now is a clear out of players that are not good enough and a manager who can judge players that can play at this level and above and a board to back him with the means to acquire them, Although it is always tempting to go for the young new coach who may bring success or not the smart move is to keep Grayson happy by giving him the tools and resources to rebuild the playing side for the future

 

In reality statistics can be manipulated to suit any agenda, exactly what you're doing here. Win % doesn't actually mean that much when there isn't that much in it, obviously if someone has 100% then yes it would. But importance of games also comes into it.

If you are so hell bent in these stats being so important, can you answer me this. Given that Peter Taylor had a better win rate than Parkinson and Jewell and quite a close win rate to McCall over 2 spells, would you rate Taylor as a better manager than two of them names? Simon Grayson could win his last two matches and his win % will increase quite a bit, it will still be meaningless though.

Personally I think it's more important to judge managers on achievements, but maybe that's now an old fashioned view.

 

Very true on the first of January 2018, by 31st January 2018 most of us could easily see that the season was gone. Whose team selection in that month ruined the season ? Who played Callum Guy at RB and didn't play the former England International he'd signed at LB ? Who spent the entire season with two left footed CH's and didn't change it when one of them was playing as well as Poleon does now ?was to pick points up aa

Sorry Bronco, but if we had made some tactical changes in January rather than sulking about not getting new players we might still be up there. Dieng at RB for one, Vince at RCH for another. Devine and Law in midfield. Robinson on one wing, Patrick on the other.

This league (outside of the top 2/3) isn't technical enough for silly formations. When Parky was in trouble he drilled his 442 into the team and got out of it. Stuart brought on his own down fall with his tactical naivety rather than a lack of signings and injuries.

All we needed was to pick up points against the dross teams of Wimbledon & Northampton & Oldham and we'd have come out of this run without the need to change manager. Only one person to blame for Stuart losing his job and it's not the owners, it's SM.

When Stuart was here first time I thought he'd made a massive mistake by appointing WJ as assistant and that had let him down. Looking at what WJ is doing alongside Bruno at West Brom I've changed my view, Stuart is too stuck in his ways as a manager. The players he signed were generally too small for this league of giants and his formations were so baffling that Simon Parker struggled to work them out most of the time.

Grayson isn't exciting me as a manager but if he plays 442 and gets some power into the team I'll take him over the fairy tale appointment every time.

 

Christ, where do you start with this.

Dieng a RB? He played RCH last year away at walsall and that confirmed to me he should never play in the back line again.

Devine and Law in midfield? Don't get me wrong I like Law but the bloke can't tackle. Why on earth you would have him and a player who's barely conference level as the heart of our side is baffling.

Patrick? He should be nowhere near the first team.

Callum Guy came to us having played last year at RB at Port Vale once. Yet McCall was probably told he was more than good enough in that position. You know by the same person who openly admitted to lying to McCall about Robinson being able to play LB.

 

And who gives a feck? We're still playing in league 1 so it's irrelevant. id rather have a smaller win percentage and win when it's matters, than a larger one and still playing in this awful division. Each to their own though.