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We Should Be The New Rangers!

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by BSABantam74, May 25, 2019.

  1. Idlebantam

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    Exactly
     
  2. BSABantam74

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    Because if we want to take the club forward and become the club we could and should be. Then shoe horned into Manningham one the poorest social and economic areas of a City in persistent decline is not where the club should be ?. It needs to move out of the City (not that far actually) to vastly improve itself at all levels. So much surrounding land at the Southern gateway to the City ..I'm thinking as well as a new modern all purpose stadia ? A training & academy complex as well as parking and the transport benefits to and from. Valley Parade is I agree a relatively modern stadium but if we want the club to be what it can be it has to be prepared to do what countless others have done successfully leave it's past behind.
     
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  3. Idlebantam

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    The newest stadium in England is hardly in a vibrant salubrious area in Tottenham is it?.
     
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    How would it be funded though? What you describe would be in the tens of millions.

    I do think you have a point, but I just can't see how it would happen.
     
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    Yes, whereas Odsal is often known as the Monte Carlo of the north.
     
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    To be truly modern, even futuristic, we should set up on the moon and become the first truly galactic team, sign some Martians, develop the best academy for interplanetary talent ever, that would attract rich backers, rich fans even, and we'd be the absolute best.

    Meanwhile, what about non-day dream Bradford City, what should WE do while living within our means?
     
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  7. BSABantam74

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    Vision and collective will both of which probably left Bradford in the late 50s. Maybe even intelligence ? as personal and controversial a comment as that is. Bradford lacks the intellectuals it once took for granted. People who could create real industry and wealth. There have been a number of "entrprenuers" since but the like of Morrison and indeed our Life President Jack Tordoff have never shown a Jack Walker style benevolence toward the club. It has always fallen into the lap of those who could either only carry the baton so far or not capable of carrying it at all ?? If you read the history of Bradford it was once one of the World's Richest Cities and home to some of the wealthiest and most influential individuals on planet earth !. The constant drift of Bradford City AFC from brief light to the darkest of places reflects the lack of any vision or know how amongst it's Civic and Business leaders. Resulting in an identity bereft economic and social wasteland where the narrative is clearing up the latest failed idea and replacing it with another. When if things were properly looked after harnessed and carried forward into the future we had what was good all along ?
     
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    Bradford served a purpose in the rise of the industrial revolution which was to make entrepeneurs and industrialists wealthy. Thats all its purpose was, just like many other cities in this country. Unfortunately that purpose disappeared a long time ago, Bradford was on the decline a lot longer than 50 years ago. Now it serves no real purpose other than a dumping ground for cheap migrant labour desperately looking for a better life.
     
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    I get that but as @Rogered Tart@Rogered Tart alludes to, to have done that in Bradford would have been swimming against the tide.

    Inequality has grown sharply in this country over the last thirty five years. The cost of dealing with the implications of that inequality continues to rise. Bradford is a prime example of an area that has continued to suffer and more so than most. Against that backdrop, broadly we are where we are as a football club. The political will, and I include both political parties here, to improve the lot of Northern cities has not been there. The success stories in football over the past few years have been mainly driven by foreign investment, not wonderful utopian partnerships between the private sector and local councils.
     
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    Some of the biggest clubs in England are located in deprived areas, so i don’t really get your point.
    ‘out of town’ stadia can difficult to get to without a car plus pubs/ eateries can be hard to come by.
    And building a shiny new ground doesn’t guarantee success, just ask Chesterfield, Darlington, Coventry etc.
    We know VP has parking issues, but if people are too lazy or tight to park in Broadway and walk up, then thats their problem.
     
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    Not cash then?
     
  12. BSABantam74

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    Odsal is not difficult to get to ? Looking around VP on match days the vast majority of the fan base commutes into Bradford from the wider district. I would estimate that the % of the crowd walking through the gates on match day and living in the shadow of the ground would be less than 1% !?
     
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    Usually where theres a will there's a way ?
     
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    You need to look at the stats for the % of fans that travel to VP from the other side of town to Odsal I.E Idle, thackley, Shipley, Bingley, Wilsden, Keighley Etc. Moving to odsla could add another 20 mins to the journey dependant on match day traffic.
     
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    The staff at Lynfield Mount need to stop leaving the computer room door unlocked.
     
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    Touchy subject that mental health ? Shouldn't make light of it Sir ?
     
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    Once again you fail to respond to factual information. Low Moor station is the closest to Odsal, a reasonable gradient for those who may have some form of mobility issues. At a mile and a half, a good forty minute walk, in the pouring rain, on the top of the hills, is this really a good choice? Forster Square to Valley Parade is less than a mile, there are frequent buses. Even the Interchange to VP is only just over a mile and as it is the main bus hub, then there are numerous//frequent buses along Manningham Lane.
    There are very few pubs, shops, food outlets near Odsal, in reality it is on the fringe. The only positive thing about it, is that it is close to the M606.
     
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    Oh I should add that there is no direct railway line from Skipton/Conoley/Steeton&Silsden/Keighley/Bingley/Shipley/Saltaire/Crossflats/Apperley Bridge/Ilkley/Ben Rhyding/Burley in Wharfedale/Menston/Guiseley/Baildon to Low Moor!
    Just a few facts for you to consider.

    For a simple example, you could catch the 13.25 from Bingley to arrive at Forster Square at 13.42, with a return at 17.11 arrive at Bingley 17.25. Return ticket £3.40
    To get from Bingley to Low Moor, then you would have to leave at 12.38 to arrive at 13.36. The return would go at 17.22 from Low Moor and arrive at Bingley at 18.25! Return ticket £4.90.

    So as Odsal is poorly served by trains and with fewer buses, journey time for many taking far longer, traveling to an exposed hill top area, with few facilities available, then I would say that your suggestion of relocating to Odsal is deeply flawed.

    I wait to see if you can respond in a positive and constructive manner?
     
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  20. Hulmebantam

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    Obviously it is a long time ago, but I remember going to Odsal from Bingley on public transport when we played there after the fire. It was a right mission. I really don't think Odsal would be a better place to get to for many fans.
     
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