UK Politics

As if this couldn't get any more horrific. I don't know how old his picture is that is currently all over the news, but the murderer looks just a kid himself

 

I think that because the photo being circulated is apparently that of him but at an earlier age.

 

Yeah, it's an absolute fact and they were fine to report it. Personally felt they leant on it a little too much like they were trying to make a point that didn't exist.

 

What point were they trying to make?

 

Kinda makes you wonder why they've released a photo that's clearly several years old. Almost as if they're trying to soften the message and make him a victim himself isn't it...?

 

I guess it's probably all they've got, he is only 17 ..

 

Apparently, during the entire court hearing today he fully covered his face with his clothing.

How is that allowed to happen, he should have had his hands chained together if he was doing that.

I hope someone somehow gets hold of him and beats him to a pulp.

 

happens a lot in various court hearings people covering their faces before, after and during the hearings

 

I suppose that the argument about migrants sometimes being a poor addition to our culture is still somewhat valid, even if they are a generation removed, and heavily trying to paint them as "Welsh" doesn't change the basis of the discussion.

 

I don't think they did try to paint him as Welsh, they clearly said he was born in Cardiff to Rwandan immigrants.

Does that make him Welsh? Can he ever be Welsh in your eyes? What about if he had kids, would they be Welsh? Antoni Sarcovic doesn't sound like an English name. His grandparents were Serbian/Italian. Is he English?

 

If you think that then that's fine. I definitely think the media tried to lean heavily on the "born in Wales" thing to shut down that element of the discussion - perhaps for good reason - but they definitely did. I couldn't tell you where Lucy Letby was born for example?

It's not a binary thing. He can be Welsh and Rwandan. Nationality, like culture and society, is a multi-faceted thing. I would say he is Welsh and Rwandan but why would it matter?

 

I don't think it does matter.

Clearly tensions in the UK are very heightened at the moment. I think it's fair to say that a certain section of our society were desperate for this criminal to be a Muslim and whatever the press said would have been met with suspicion. They wanted an excuse to kick back because they're angry abouta perception of boat people, 2 tier policing, Islamification of Britain, majority Muslim areas, towns and cities. This was a tinder box ready to go off and this crime has been the catalyst. People are angry and feel letdown, hopeless and helpless. I think the huge support for Reform shows how strong feelings are. There's not really many ways to express that anger and feel like you're affecting change so I guess that's why we see attacks on the police and public disorder. They want to do something tangible because they want change.

 

Agree with all your post.

But the people are also angry because they're continually spoken down to and told that they "shouldn't" be angry about these things and that you're racist (or Far Right, or EDL, or Gammon, or whatever word takes the fancy at the time) if you have any concerns about these things. Whereas for some, if not all of these things, concern about them is at least partly valid and worthy of discussion. When you shut down reasonable debate anger comes out in other ways.

In some ways this is in the wrong thread because it is largely societal and cultural rather than political but until people with genuine concerns about these things see change then this isn't going to go back in it's box.

 

I think they tried to lean heavily onto the born in Cardiff angle as the rumour was going round that he had arrived on a boat 12 months earlier and that fact dispelled the rumour. That and the false name that was going round along with the Mi6 watch list etc

 

You are fully aware of the narrative of the MSM, and how they try to manipulate the way everyone thinks. You have then gone on to sum it up fairly perfectly what is happening out there and the reason behind a lot of protesters motives. So why the constant replies to @Aaron Baker on the build up to your post, like you are trying to get someone to bite so maybe you can jump on them? Baiting techniques at their finest, the left are experts at it

 

Speaking of the left, old captain hindsight announces new laws/powers today to try and appease rioting. If only they took the same stance and priorities to protect innocent people being killed by knife crime. Absolutely bloody infuriating. I am not for one second condoning the rioting, but the government’s priorities all wrong again and simply going for the easy targets. This is the exact kind of shit that get average Joe Public so bloody wound up!!

 

I wasn't baiting, I was genuinely bothered by this 'not a very Welsh name that is it' rhetoric that I saw going around today. Just made me question if anyone would ever be truly accepted here if their name sounds a bit foreign.

 

Great news, now if there’s another Harehills or Rochdale it can be squashed without all the nonsense. Speaking of did they ever announce how many arrests they made at Harehills like they did for yesterday?

 

About as many as they arrested for the widespread BLM riots, sorry, protests.

 

Google it lads