Tomato Catastrophe

The irony is mind blowing

 

It may not stop you exporting to them. But one big advantage of the single market was the absence of paperwork. Those extra layers now have to be done by someone, which means costs that get passed on to the consumer. For some businesses working in fine margins those extra costs are killers.
And that's before we've started with the import checks, which the government keeps putting off but will have to introduce eventually. They will hit companies that rely a lot on imported components and also increase prices of imported foods. There's no way that adding layers of bureaucracy won't put prices up and put some companies out of business.

 

Indeed.
And now we have our Prime Minister desperately grovelling to arseholes like Modi, thousands of air or sea transport miles away, for trade deals to replace the tariff and paperwork-free trade that we used to have with our next door neighbours. It's economic and environmental madness.

 

British companies have seen the benefits of the cheap labour markets in India for years and this was well before Brexit, every time I pick the phone up for customer service to the likes of Virgin Media etc a man or woman comes on the phone telling me their called Stuart, Trevor or Oliver, Melissa, Demi or Charlotte.
We've gravelled to the likes of Russia, Saudi Arabia, China, India, and many more countries that have terrible human rights records but turn a blind eye when it suits us.

 

It's interesting reading the ''oh paperwork'' argument. I work in an industry that had some challenges to get right post brexit but everyone is now business as usual regardless of it being UK/EU. If you or your business are still struggling your processes are clearly letting you down!

 

So when a person buys a product from me and they are in the EU. Amazon charges them VAT as per the rules. This didnt happen before. However to keep their prices low (amazons), which are also prices I set they actually remove the 20% from the cost of the product.

Product cost = £5
With VAT = £6
Customer pays = £5
I receive = £4

I can provide you the screenshots of me a UK citizen paying an EU citizens VAT for them. Just tell me how I can put a process in place to stop Amazon charging me a EU citizens VAT for them?

Oh and then we send the item and it often gets sent back unless its in the Republic of Ireland. Due to customs issues, despite the correct forms being in place. Filling out customs forms on 50 orders a day takes about 100 extra minutes. Minutes which we have to add on to the end of the day.

So now I work extra hours for less pay. Just explain how I go about preventing that? what is my fault exactly?

And if you think that those extra red tape hours are beneficial to the UK economy then youre mistaken.

What has actually happened is the majority of small businesses that have to sell products on amazon to survive have actually pulled out of the EU. Because of extra costs involved in both selling and distribution. I can show you the community forums of sellers who are suffering and have pulled out.

Seems to me like you dont run a business and you never have. I bet if you ask the owner of the company you work for how much extra costs go into the red tape they will say its a lot. Because even if it does run smoothly for them in terms of process they still make less money and pay more to achieve the goal.

You may dislike the argument from people who voted to remain but at the end of the day we are all in this together and the changes imposed by brexit are harmful. Less income, less FDI, less taxes being paid. Deny it all you like it doesnt mean its not true.

 

and on the subject of tomatoes.....why is it if you want to get one that tastes anything like a tomato you have to get a "taste the difference" tomato or an "extra special" tomato

 

All of this may well be true. But it doesn't alter the fact that we will be much more dependant on those markets than we used to be, because we no longer have the benefit of tariff-free trade with our nearest and, by a massive distance, biggest marketplace - the EU.
You can dress it up anyway you want but there's no getting away from the simple fact that we have deliberately thrown away the economic benefits of free trade with the largest economic trade area on the planet. There is no possible way that we can adequately compensate for that economic loss by trade agreements with countries on the other side of the earth, no matter how many dodgy regimes we try to butter up.

There were clearly other arguments for Brexit apart from economics - eg immigration control, severing the influence of EU regulations, laws and courts etc. One of the difficulties faced by the Remain side was its concentration on economic arguments when those other arguments are what actually motivated most Brexit voters, rather than economic factors. But losing free trade with Europe was an unprecedented act of wilful economic madness that will hit our economy hard for years, or even decades, to come.

 

Because people like cheap food. So the majority of tomatoes sold in supermarkets are hothoused and exported underripe to save time and money. Producing slower growing varieties that have the same sort of flavour as those you can grow at home takes more time and labour, so they cost more. Simple economics.

 

When you cant pay your mortgage or heat the house, when working people get hit too hard, all the blue passports in the world wont stop them wanting their livelihoods back. Remainers could see this, you only need to study history to see how socio-economics is the backbone of most civilian uprising. It would and always will boil down to economics.

It just takes the slower ones in society longer to realise and by that point we are screwed for a decade or two.

 

Product cost = £5
With VAT = £6
Customer pays = £5
I receive = £4
If you are buying at £6 and selling at £5 you are not much of a businessman, VAT is paid by all customers in the EU so has to be charged at the rate where the customer is based, If you are registered for VAT you are charged when you purchase the goods and then charge your customer VAT on the selling price and the difference you pay to the VAT man, This has not changed from leaving the EU

 

It has more to do with poor management of the economy by an inept government, We have the highest tax rate in modern history and the highest borrowing ever to service with debt repayments running at £89 billion this year, Couple this with world supply problems in goods and energy ( now over 500 ships waiting to load goods in Shanghai the worlds largest consumer goods port ) due to Covid restrictions, Non of this is the fault of leaving a corrupt organisation that was charging us £billions for the privilege of been screwed by them

 

Here is a screenshot

I charge £3 for this item - thats ME deciding that after all costs and charges that £3 on this item is what I need to make to be profitable. After July 2021 due to brexit this is what Amazon do with EU VAT.



Unit price excluding VAT is £2.44 according to Amazon. Its not what I set the unit price at. I set it at £3. With £2 shipping.

My argument was how do I get them to stop charging me? I cant tell amazon what to do. And I cant leave amazon it accounts for a massive proportion of my sales. UK businesses have no means to gain their own traffic, these companies have dominated the market.

So Im forced to use Amazon and others, Im forced to pay EU VAT on behalf of EU citizens. This didnt happen pre brexit.

There you go clever cloggs. Hard evidence that brexit has had an impact on UK business.

After those fee's you see above, Amazon takes 15% of the original £5 not the after tax amount. Thats another 75p. Leaving me with £3.27 in which I have to pay for the stock, and the shipment to ireland. With other associated costs it meant I had to stop selling to the EU. I cannot afford it.

That removes a small degree of direct investment in the UK. When you add all the other retailers on Amazon from the UK thats a big amount.

 

We paid for access to a market that delivered £460 billion per year in FDI. A country cannot run without FDI. We have not yet found a replacement.

You see when an investor or company wanted to put money into the EU. They would put it into the UK as English is the international language of business. The EU is the worlds biggest market and therefore a good prospect for investment. The UK will now not get the same levels of FDI as we are a third country. Any FDI into the UK will be to take advantage of the UK market which is 60million people. Therefore FDI will be lower than when it was being invested into a market of 500million.

Again, thats a fact you cannot obfuscate. The corruptness you speak of is complete hogwash and once again you look like a proper muppet.

 

I will ignore the insults its a sign of immaturity or ignorance, We have the second highest amount of FDI in the world second only to the USA, The main indicator of how well the economy has just today announced record positive business activity for the UK, You are right in that the UK is drowning, Its drowning in success. The fact is that without the support of a few countries paying massive amounts in to the EU to be given to the poorest economies it would collapse in debt and break up,
The EU has desperately tried to bribe and incentivise the banks and finance intuitions to leave the UK for the EU but have so far failed

 

Not had anything missing/substituted from our weekley Morrison deliveries, some will moan at the littlest thing, at least we agree we as a country have "desperately grovelling to arseholes" no matter who is in power.

 

The EU is not the worlds largest trading block it is the RCPE which is a group of 15 countries which includes China, Australia and Japan, The UK is in the process membership which would be a major boost to our trade,

Members of the RCEP make up nearly a third of the world's population and account for 29% of global gross domestic product.
The new free trade bloc will be bigger than both the US-Mexico-Canada Agreement and the European Union.

 

So you wanted to leave the 'corrupt' EU where your life was better than it is now. Markedly. And you want to enter a similar union with China?

Good one mate

 

Yes because it is not corrupt it is a group of individual countries agreeing on trade, The EU is a political union that makes laws and collects and spends money for all members, You seem to know as much about this as you do about VAT rules

 

China not corrupt? ive heard it all now.

The EUs laws were simply based around the functioning of the single market. There is indeed a bloat of civil servants but that can be changed. Any free trade deal with your commy mates in china, those human rights abusers, that would involve laws being changed and rules imposed.

Id rather it be with friends in europe than dictators in China. We can see the way your cloth is cut.