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T&S..... sacked

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Rcbantam, Apr 10, 2021.

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Should T & S leave now

  1. yes for sure

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  2. no give them chance to work next season

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  3. dont know

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  1. Loyalbantam

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    Come on now, comparing Jose to a manager who has predominantly managed at non league and lower league level?
     
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    Thanks Broncs, at least you and Stafford can do simple maths. Rather surprised Fordy didn't take the same approach to understand my reasoning. For Fordy's benefit I did explain my reasoning in an earlier post somewhere. To get to any answer/ opinion you put together knowledge, experience and a dose of anticipation which is what I did to get my 5 years conclusion. As you say it's not rocket science. I may strictly speaking be wrong but not by much, the only factor which could have thrown me out was not being relegated but Sadly I saw it coming and had Rahic not done a runner it may have been worse, who knows and not worth speculating on.
     
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  3. Rogered Tart

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    You weren't actually serious about Wilder were you?
     
  4. Loyalbantam

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    And to think some clubs fans protest at their owners pumping in billions and winning trophies.
    Strange world
     
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  5. Loyalbantam

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    Not really but he is the type of manager we need to get us to where we all want to be.
    Sure he has a soft spot for us. An ex player and why else would he give us a cash windfall by paying money for Hanson and McBurnie? His 2 worst signings ever
     
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    Nope. Transport links are bus or car, and too far from Town to walk. Lower league out of Town clubs suffer for such frivolity. Colchester not far from me is a classic example. £31 m in debt.

    I spent enough time getting drowned in the bloody place after the fire.
     
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    By investment you mean having extremely wealthy owners who see the clubs as a toy.

    Look at Huddersfield when the money is pulled because they realise Daddy can’t keep on spending our inheritance. That’s not investing in a club, it’s using it as a status symbol.
     
  8. Bronco

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    You missed the other common denominator neither owners gave a f**k about the fans.
     
  9. Fordy117

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    Ok, so we are talking on the pitch only.

    Rupp stayed. We had one of the biggest budgets in league 2 when we went down.

    The problem wasn’t Edin. The problem was Rhodes if we are talking on the pitch.

    Hiring Bowyer and the return on McCall.

    This is why many fans want T & S out already and if Ryan sticks with them then more fool him. We know T & S won’t get us up.

    I see Northampton want Adams and Swindon want Evans! Bradford City need to really go for the the manager we want.Sparks talk about us being like bloody Morecambe then go get Adams.

    We really need to start getting rid of this Rhodes mindset at this club because it results in failure. Sparks needs to prove he’s a winner!!
     
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    Good point Kevin. Look at the clubs listed.
    Rotherham - I know Tony Stewart reasonably well, nice guy but Rovrum is a personal trip for him, fair enough a wealthy guy who spent some £20 m on a new stadium which only holds 12,000 and can't expand with river one side and rail the other, thus a limit on ambition which they have proved. They were going to a state of the art training facility several years ago but as far as I know still train at the Parkgate complex and after the excess of Steve Evans buying all and sundry they now have the former fitness coach in charge and almost certain to be relegated.
    Barnsley - Owners include the Moneyball guy and a combined worth of $9.1 billion, say no more, pocket money for a play thing?
    Cardiff - Owned by Vincent Tan, worth $750 million and also inherited a newish stadium built by Sam Hamman, I know because I was in negotiation to develop next door and fund the stadium but Sam wanted too much. Flirted with the PL, like us, but at a true level now.
    Swansea - Owners also an interest in D.C. United with a worth of $600 million and another newish stadium part funded by my old company next door. Again, pocket money for a play thing?
    FRG - Dale Vince, the old New Age Traveler, worth over £100 million but how far can they go, small stadium, limited catchment and plans for a new ground with Business Park apparently refused, not to say it won't happen.
    Posh - Can't really comment Darragh Mac is secretive but the new facilities are in co-operation with the Local Authority / College so difficult to fathom. Training at a school? who'd have thought eh Fordy.
    Salford - Peter Lim the 9th richest man in Singapore at $2.5 billion plus the Man U guys. Despite that unlikely to get promotion this time, a major blow to Neville's ambitions.

    There has been talk on here about the likes of Cheltenham. When we visited the owner had just put £1 million in to keep it going, Colchester injected £3 million the same reason after gambling on the Academy upgrade to Cat2 and producing nothing over the last 3-4 years.

    Not as easy as some would think and, no I'm not defending anything VP wise just pointing some simple truths.
    Let the slaughter commence.
     
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    It won't happen and a few would lose their shit, but I'd take Steve Evans. He'd get this club promoted.
     
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    Based on what evidence? Last time he got a club promoted was 2014, he's another yesterday man. No. Thanks.
     
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    I'm not really sure of the point you're making....my reference to those clubs is simply a nod to the point around other clubs attracting investment. Y9u mentioned a comment about us needing someone to pump huge amounts in, but wr attracted a level of investment ourselves - we were bought by a man worth 300m. We have the financial might behind us, we just don't have the interest or capability. Wishy washy statements around 'we need someone to bankroll us, what else do we expect' are an abdication of responsibility. Our single biggest issue is a complete lack of vision and capability from the very top of the club.
     
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    I think that's a bit dismissive of the circumstances of clubs and moves hes made since then. He has a very, very good record of taking clubs forward during his tenure.

    He wouldn't be my first choice, but I'd take him here, absolutely. We wouldn't be a soft touch with him here, thats for sure.
     
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  15. Mike Hunt

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    Some very good points Roger, and I agree with a lot of what you say so I’m not going to slaughter you as you put it, but you buy a football club and the unfortunate truth is you’re probably spending money to stand still. The structure of the game’s finances is broken.

    The thing is though, Accrington have done well on relatively small crowds and budgets, without going through all the clubs that publish full accounts I suspect there are few who make a profit in lower league football, but there are clubs making progress on smaller budgets than City. Which reminds me Sparks promised to publish full accounts, what happened there?

    It’s very very old ground, but City have had good income in recent years with nothing, absolutely nothing to show for it. Manager after manager, Josh Wright after Hope Akpan after BRE after Kurtis Guthrie all signing on good money for nothing. Appointing Stuart? Was that really driven by on the field results? Really? Last summer’s recruitment, was that really motivated by doing well on the field or a gamble on the season being annulled? Who knows, there are probably only two or three people who know the answer to that.

    In my opinion the club has been mismanaged in recent years, I would be pretty sure few league clubs apart from Bury, Macclesfield and Scunthorpe have dropped as many places as Bradford City in the last five seasons.

    I’m sure some people suggest pouring untold millions in to the club, I’m suggesting spending the money they have more wisely.

    My worry is if this apathy and the dreadful on the field performance continues, season tickets fall year on year and with a largely absent owner the club falls in to the conference from where I don’t think it will return. The demographics of Bradford are changing with a local population less interested in football than previous generations.

    The business needs strong focussed leadership with a genuine vision of where they want the club to be, preferably with interested owners. It doesn’t need millions pumping in. We need to stop thinking about Rahic and Richmond and plan to do things differently to the last two decades
     
  16. Bronco

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    But irelavent to the 5 year comment with regards getting us back where we were before Rupp & Rahic took over, I think 5 years is conservative estimate the way things are panning out.
    Not sure who we have as CEO it can still be achieved in that time span, I hope Ryan proves me wrong.

    This is a baffling comment "The problem wasn’t Edin. The problem was Rhodes if we are talking on the pitch"
    Parky would not work under Edin, so they find themselves within two weeks of buying the club we have no manager, not having a clue with regards who they could bring in they turn to Julian who suggests Stuart who achieves more in his first season than Parky did, Rahic didn't like the fact Stuart was regarded higher by the fans than himself at the club and the first time he got the opertunity to sack him he did.
    It was Rahic who brought Grayson, Collins, and Hopkin to the club then thank goodness Rupp gave Rahic the boot.
    Rupp brought Julian back and as you rightly say Julian brought Bowyer in, eventually sacking him and giving the job to Stuart, you can't ignore the impact Rahic had during his tenure at the club the man was a disaster.
     
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    I’m sorry but there’s enough examples of where new stadiums are built out of town and the clubs have done ok or even thrived.
    Hull, Wigan, Swansea, Reading, Stoke, Bolton, Leicester, Brighton, Southampton etc.
    They overcome the transport link problem by supplying shuttle buses from locations around the city.
    The key is to provide food and drink outlets around the stadium which will keep fans there before and after the games. The ground doesn’t need to be in the city centre.
     
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    Why slaughter? Thats a fair summary of what those clubs are doing to try and climb or stay up the football league ladder. You mention Cardiff and and their true level and i think thats the same with us. In reality we are club that flirts with league 1 and 2 and light years away from the championship. We have a reluctant owner with no real vision for the club and thats where our problems lie. What is the long term future for this club? Are we there just to supply dirt cheap football to the inhabitants of a run down dying old City? Phil Parkinson gave this club its connection with the City back and thats now gone. We've a CEO who talks the talk but an owner whos not really interested in walking the walk. And until that changes we're just treading league 2 water. Not something that interests me as a viable long supporter of this club.
     
  19. Loyalbantam

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    Fans made their point about the ESL and it was scrapped. The scenes of fans climbing on the goal posts at Old Trafford yesterday are just pathetic.
    Does it really matter if the owners don’t talk to the fans if they’re supplying money for world class players.
    Do you think the CEO of Morrisons goes and chats to the shoppers in the stores?
     
  20. Mike Hunt

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    Wetherby will know far better than me so I stand to be corrected, Ken Morrison would have been on the shop floor moaning about untidy displays, bruised bananas and the like. It’s probably how he became so successful and wealthy, attention to detail, knowing what his customer wants and a lot of hard graft. I talk to the people who use the products we make, how else am I supposed to know where we are going wrong and what we’re doing right?
     

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