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Standard of Officiating in League Two

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by JonButterfield, Sep 21, 2019.

  1. Bronco

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    Respect has been done to death mate even at Sunday league games the abuse many referee's get should not be tolerated, it's OK players wearing an armband with respect on their shirt it means nothing, and until the FL back referee's for taking a hard stance nothing will change.
     
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    Explain why their sending off was not correct, Bridge already had a yellow, he was holding Connolly back which was also deemed a foul by the referee and gave him his second yellow which triggered the red.
     
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    The first yellow he received wasn’t warranted it was nothing
     
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    I am all in favour of ref respect but for the professional game even the fourth tier standards have to rise last year was bad enough with some horrendous decisions but so far this year the standard has been appalling. In our case the refs are falling over themselves to say our crowds don’t intimidate them
     
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    Well the referee had a different opinion and he's the man in charge.
     
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    I'd say it is possibly worse in the Premiership than our league but IMO it is not relevant which league they get hassled and abused in, it is not acceptable and it does nothing to tell the younger fans it's the correct way of going about things, very similar to the police are not respected in this day and age.
     
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    Don't foul
    Stay onside
    Put the ball in the back of the net

    F@ck the ref!

    Win the game!
     
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    A few of us were saying he would try and even it up second half and the disallowed goal might have been him doing that. If you think about it even if it was the right decision and I don’t think it was from a perfect vies of it. The ref thought it was a perfectly good goal because he allowed it at first. The linesman didn’t flag so he saw nothing wrong so the only way he could have changed his mind was their players protesting or the fourth official who could not possibly ha e bad a view of it. Terrible reffing
     
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    As I say I agree but don’t allow these wannabes out on the field until they are up to standard
     
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    The 'disallowed goal' was nothing to do with evening it up, that opportunity was given by a moment of madness from BRE. I still can't believe there are some who thought it wasn't a red. As i said before the 'goal' was really the only big decision he got wrong, players running to the ref like that needs to be stopped like in Rugby where only the captain gets to discuss things with the ref.
     
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    How do you get them up to standard without letting them officiate? You can't teach real life in a classroom.
     
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    They could use ex pros for a start or recruit with better knowledge and understanding
     
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    Can't disagree with regards the no goal both he and his linesman looked like they'd given a goal the linesman was actually running back to the center circle, very poor decision whoever made it but yes the referee and the linesman were quite happy to give the goal originally.
     
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    of what? certainly not the laws of the game
     
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    Ex pros would be an avenue worth exploring, its something that happens in cricket here all the officials are ex pros. I guess playing and refereeing are two entirely different ways of looking at the game.
     
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    Very few players want to be refs. Hardly any. The best ref around is Andy Madley and he was a footballer who had to retire before his career started. His brother was the same. Perhaps this is a good avenue to go down.
     
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    I actually thought the ref at Walsall last week was really rather good. Hardly noticed, consistent and got the big calls spot on.
     
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    Refs are that incompetent they cannot even get VAR decisions right and when it should be used,
    #wedeservebetterreferees
     
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    Sorry Park, decided not to reply to your ‘respect has to be earned’ comment (as, like a couple of other posters said in reply, the role of ref is what should be respected) though was tempted.

    However, I can’t let this one go - I’ve heard it so many times before and fundamentally disagree with it. There’s a few issues with it for me.

    There’s the cliche of the ex-pro’s “know the game” better. Obviously they’ve played it, but really that’s knowing how to lie and cheat their way through a game, not actually understanding the laws that need to be applied. I suppose you could argue they might therefore know what to look for in deception by the players, which is a plus - but for me that doesn’t automatically mean they’d be able to properly ref a professional match.

    I’ve also heard a suggestion ex-pro’s should be fast tracked. Firstly, where are all these ex-pros sticking their hands up to referee (clue: there aren’t any, because they can earn a far more comfortable living after the game without hassle e.g. TV, radio). Secondly, per my first point above is it really a good idea to fast track someone to the higher levels when they’ve spent their entire pro careers doing pretty much the exact opposite of what’s required of a ref. A good footballer does not (necessarily) equate to a good ref.

    Refs are allowed to - and will - make mistakes. Despite that, their knowledge and understanding of the game at pro level is very high. However, in L2 you’re seeing refs make apparent errors more often because (for example) their positioning may not always be perfect in every situation, not because they don’t know the laws, don’t understand the game or whatever.

    I criticised Saturday’s officials because as far as anyone could tell, they couldn’t have properly seen the Donaldson incident. If they have ‘guessed’ at an incident such as this one though, their assessor will significantly mark them down for it.

    I suppose what I’m saying is that you don’t get to ref at EFL level without a significant amount of experience refereeing through the pyramid, regularly assessed, detailed analysis of performance in particular once they reach EFL, dedicated fitness and training programmes etc etc. Do some of them get their chance too soon and in front of crowds like at VP? Maybe. But to suggest they don’t have the knowledge/understanding is off the mark IMO.
     

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