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Discussion in 'City Talk' started by How, Jun 26, 2020.

  1. Silverbantam

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    Lawn should have refused to sell at that price and also to a local rival.
     
  2. Park bantam

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    The add ons to the Wells deal made it a good one for us
     
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    Agree Wells was a strange one and no one saw the McBurnie windfall coming but you have to balance it all out How badly did we handle the Doyle non deal or was someone else responsible for that
     
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    And invested his families money albeit with interest to save our club
    You forgot that one !!!!
     
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    Don't think he had the power to veto it
    How were Town a rival (different league)
     
  6. Dennis

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    Why? Wells had refused to sign a new contract and could have left later for nothing. There was also the small issue of a £1million+ deficit in the 2013/14 season which had to be funded ... and I doubt that ML or JR would have done that from their own pockets.
     
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    We can debate the good and the bad and have many examples, several of your examples are fair comments Ive not said every decision was the correct one but surely if it's your business and you employ people to do a job you have to take part of the praise or criticism if the deals are good or bad.
    We had Green at Valley Parade when Archie arrived but yes he did a deal that actually lost the club money as Spurs offered more for George than Everton, but Archie thought David Moyes and Everton were the best option for the lad, he was so wrong as it turned out Everton were very laxed with their youth set up and that was one of the reasons George got into bad habits.
    Wasn't Stewart another Archie signing who told the club because he was playing in Scotland we were OK to sign him without any fear of development fees etc.
    Yes the Gibb fall out wasn't great but as a new partnership they would have both agreed to the administration conditions.
    The last transfer window was poor but they were Bowyers calls he didnt have Rahic or Abbott involved although maybe the transfer budget may not have been what many expected, although we were still in a great position for a play off place, I'd suggest the summer signing gave everyone hope for the coming season and there was money made available for the likes of Donaldson,Vaughan etc.
    Maybe he should have sacked Bowyer before the transfer window even though the football on show was not great we were still around a play off place.
    The Todd situation as it turned out got us relegated but I remember he got more stick during home games than any other manager bar John Doherty I dont remember many complaining at the time.
    Not sure who made the call on Phil Parkinson but that turned out to be a very good appointment and gave us 4/5 seasons of improvement.
    My original point was with regards many deals that he was involved with when some were calling for his head, like it or not it was because of the way the club had been run that the new owners got involved hoping with a little more investment they could take the club forward, Julian & Mark selling was possibly the worst decision they made at the club although with regards your comment things might be taking a turn for the better.
     
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    The thing that everyone should look at, is our current position.
    • We are a fourth tier club (again).
    • Mid table.
    • We don’t own our ground and pay a substantial figure for the rent.
    • If the cap on wage expenditure comes in, our relative size, will be less meaningful.
    • We have 14 players signed, a glut of centre halves and ageing forwards.
    • The ground is now showing its age and some of the facilities are poor.
    • Rhodes sold the club to someone who could be termed as a ‘megalomaniac’ and his ‘disinterested’ business partner.
    Strikes me that we have gone round in circles and are back where we were in 2008.

    It’s embarrassing that clubs like Accrington, Rochdale, Lincoln, Wimbledon and Shrewsbury will all be in League One, whereas we will be in the lowest tier.
     
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    I know age sometimes dulls the memory, Dennis but you and Mike H are a little wide of the mark. I can say this as I was in the Board meetings when most of the content of this particular discussion was taking place. To deal with as much as I can in some form of order.
    The late Archie Christie did not deal with the sale of George Green, JR did. We had offers from Everton and Spurs and Harry Redknapp actually went to the Green household in Ossett but Julian believed the lad would be better nearer to home than London's distractions, hence Everton. When JR told us this at Board we all agreed.
    You are right to suggest Mega introduced Nahki, he joined Archie's Development Squad, in fact I saw his first few games against Trinity and All Saints College with the rest of the Board, then Rotherham at their training ground with Jacko then I think he played at Silsden. Archie didn't want him largely because someone else had brought him and he had a shocker in his first game but the rest is history, just setting the facts. It was JR who signed him on the recommendation of Jacko then PP.
    Mark Stewart and the late Chris Mitchell and Jack Compton were all Christie signings along with the rest of the Development Squad, non of whom made it apart from Nahki. The freedom to deal with that squad was Archie's alone and he failed to do the proper checks on our liability for fees foe Mark Stewart which cost us the money to Falkirk.
    Jacko and Peter Taylor were joint decisions with Mark which they both regretted.
    In terms of Admin, this was a fall out, as were the relegations from the PL days. Even with the now massive parachute payments which we didn't have look at the plight of others who have been in the PL. Bolton, Blackpool, Boro, Hull, Sunderland and now Huddersfield. We are not alone.
    I'm not sure about Willy Topp but that is really scraping the barrel, I will however give you Colin Todd which JR regrets .
    Remember from 2007 Mark was there as well and I know he takes his share of some of the mistakes I have noted.
     
  10. Dennis

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    There is a good article I think in Boy from Brazil or maybe Width of a Post at the time which is based on an interview with Archie Christie. The whole Green saga is spelled out in some detail there. I was no fan of Christie's but what was described based on their interview with Christie accorded with what DB also told me. Whilst I have no doubt that the Board ultimately sanctioned Green's move to Everton, the catalyst for it was Christie.
     
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    All relative to the clubs current position would love to see some green shoots of recovery we seem to stumble from one crisis to another getting worse in every instance all the clubs you have listed above desrve on merit to be L1 just like we deserve on merit to be L2 sad but it's fact
     
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    Everyone knew the back ground to the Wells situation,
    Dean Holye said on Radio Leeds Town had been watching Nahkis progress for over the previous 12 months, if you remember Nahki developed an injury prior to the transfer window opening, we had several clubs making offers that were potentially better for Bradford City than the final offer from Town unfortunatly through his agent Nahki made it quite plain he was not prepared to join any other club than Huddersfield Town.
    Now the club have a decision to make sell him to Town for what they basically dictated or allow him to run the last 18 months of his contract down and lose him on a free, also bearing in mind he was injured would Nahki get back to match fitness and continue to give the club 100% we saw the Reeves situation.
    So the club took the decision to sell with as many add ons as possible.
     
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    Whoever signed Guthrie knows absolutely jot about football ?. Boreyer should never have been allowed near the recruitment in January ? But I'd like to bet even he had never clapped eyes on Guthrie ? You only needed to look on "Lets Talk Stevenage" or whatever they call it ? to know that Guthrie was not rated by them, and was known for having a bad attitude. Yet in he comes to us; presented (probably by Sparky) under the VP lights as the arrival of "the next messiah" !?

    God only knows what Stuarts supposed to do with Guthrie ? I havent a clue either ? How about we give him a high viz jacket and stick him on "social distancing" watch out the back of the Kop ?
     
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    Just one of many in our history BSA
    We must be the easiest club to offload to and buy from
    Big competition at the minute for the High Viz job at the back of the Kop probably not up to that either
     
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    My feeling is Guthrie was signed by Rhodes and Ryan. I doubt Boreyer had anything to do with it.
     
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    Can't disagree with the article Dennis but I think Jason McKeown would perhaps agree that he and his colleague were a bit blinded by Archie's BS. I don't think it's for me to recount the demise of BfB but Jason may be prepared to. What I can say with personal knowledge are the threats made against me by Archie when he realised he had been rumbled by PP and the rest and left, leaving a disaster of a Development Squad behind and the Falkirk court action coming down the line. If you want to drink champagne in the Cedar Court pool whilst telling anyone who will listen how great you are and the deals you've done, you have to back it up with hard proof. That never came, Jason's mate walked away and I think Jason himself would agree he is older and wiser, I know I think he is and am an admirer of WOAP.
     
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  18. Dennis

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    I am very aware of Christie's 'shortcomings'. I was one who asked him at Rawdon Meadows whether or not he had the training credentials to take charge of the development squad. Despite what he said, he didn't! And he was also bullshitting me again at Rawdon Meadows prior to that occasion that he was responsible for bringing Wells to VP to join his development squad. That is until DB and Mega walked over to join us and the record was put right!
     
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    It makes you wonder if there was any underhand dealings with the George Green deal to Everton as it was in the papers Spurs had out bid Everton at the last minute, if as you say he was a bit of a day dreamer.
     
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    Happy to be corrected Roger, thank you. I maintain my belief Julian Rhodes has done some good things at City but also he’s not the luminary many claim.
     
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