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Songo'o Loaned to Walsall

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by SteveC, Jan 26, 2023.

  1. Loyalbantam

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    You mean like when we loaned out Doyle and Vaughan to Swindon and Tranmere?
    Both did fantastic and fired their respective teams to promotion.
     
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  2. Kevin1954

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    Absolutely agree he’s a good one for the last 10-20 minutes, any longer I think he’s been found wanting tbh.Like the chap but we have to be honest.
     
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  3. Dennis

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    Get real!

    You've said on other occasions that you prefer evidence to support your arguments and I see nothing wrong in that whatsoever. So let's look at the evidence ...

    In recent years, the number of points necessary to get a team into the Top 3 is 80 or more and up to 85 points in some cases.

    We currently have 41 points with 20 games to play

    We therefore need around another 40 points as an absolute minimum to get into the Top 3. Or if you like, we need on average of 2 points per game for the remainder of the season to even get in with a chance of an automatic spot.

    Two points per game is approximately championship winning performance over a whole season. To date, we have accumulated a little under 1.6 pts per game over the previous 26 games. Our results and our current league position indicate we haven't so far produced a run of championship winning performances

    Do you seriously believe given our squad and our preparation and our formation and our tactics and our inability to create goal scoring opportunities, we are capable of suddenly looking like a championship winning team?

    Well, I don't! We've already blown our golden opportunity of getting an auto spot this season imo and I see nothing to suggest we can make good on our shortcomings. I am more than willing to be proven wrong but I doubt that will happen. There is little to show at this stage that we can even maintain our position in the last playoff place. An auto spot is but a pipe dream.
     
  4. SteveC

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    Maybe at the start of the season, of course, but at this stage of the season, you can’t say the likes of Rochdale or Hartlepool are promotion rivals - Walsall definitely are
     
  5. bantam2708

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    Good luck to Yann. Wasn't good enough to be a starter but was just the man you'd want to bring on to see a game out. Obviously he wasn't content with that and wanted to play which is fair enough. I'd imagine Kelly is fit and available now though, otherwise we'd be short at CB.
     
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  6. Kevin1954

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    I guess you get my drift. It’s a narrow market , is my point.
     
  7. River_City_Bantam

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    Spot on. We enjoyed some championship-winning form in the earlier part of the season, when our points-per-match pace ranged from 1.9 to 2.1 over a running 10-match sequence, for some 10 matches in a row. But our most-recent running 10-match pace has been 1.4, which works out to a solidly mid-table, out-of-playoffs, 64 points. Overall it's still at 1.58, or 73 points total.

    In the 41 seasons of 3 points for a win, 73 points has gotten a side into the top-3 once. But there's a catch -- that was in a 42-match season. Pro-rated to 46 matches, that's 80 points. The lowest total for 3rd in the 46-match seasons has been 75, twice. 73 points does, more often than not (33/41) lead to a top-7 finish.

    We are trending in the wrong direction. I agree that our top-3 chances range from slim to none, and slim is just about out of the building. Playoffs remain a reasonable possibility though, always provided we stop the current slide. I can't say that our transfer business so far inclines me to hope...though it is too early to tell with the new players.

    RCB
     
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    I'm sure Bristol Rovers fans are glad that Joey Barton didn't give up last season - when they were, amazingly, even more pessimistic than you.

    Fact is we're five points behind the 3rd place team, not twenty five.
     
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    Although it wasn't stated it may be a loan with a view to it being made permanent. We don't know what's gone on, his agent may have asked if Yann is going to be offered another contract.
     
  10. WilsdenBantam

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    Best of luck to him, limited ability but always gave 100% and that’s all you can ask.
     
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    You'd think we'd lost Ngolo Kante from some of the comments.

    Instead we've given a defensive player to Walsall who operates in positions we have plenty of cover for, and who barely factored this season.
     
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    Agree
    According to some on here this means
    that’s a league Kante we’ve lost - Songo’o
    A league 2 Riyad Mahrez we’ve lost- Young
    And a league 2 Andy Robertson as well - Foulds.

    No wonder we struggle.
     
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    Tranmere were last promoted in the 18/19 season and we loaned Vaughan to them on 29th Jan 2020, so his loan didn't result in them going up.
     
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    Bring back the League Two Messi, Will Atkinson, and all will be well.
     
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    We laugh, he always scored against us after he left . I went to a Southend away game, I’m sure he scored on that day too?
     
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    Happy to stand and be corrected, but apart from Doyle I cannot remember any player loaned out in recent seasons that has significantly improved the loaned to club/back-fired on us - please correct me if I am wrong?

    With this in mind I understand recent transfers for both club and player. Specifically on Songo’o, I really like him however don’t see where hes getting games at the moment so only fair to him he is given this move.

    Hughes will ultimately be judged at the end of the season whether this recent transfer activity was successful or not. Right now he doesn’t stand a chance as some will say he’s wrong and some will say he’s right. For me, I’ll reserve judgment till May.
     
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  17. Damo

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    I think its fair to ask for a bit more. I'd put 100% in
     
  18. WilsdenBantam

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    You can ask for someone to give more than they’re all? If you ever find out how please let me know.
     
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  19. Loyalbantam

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    Maybe it was that his goals kept them up then
     
  20. Tennesseebantam

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    Came on after 62 mins v Leicester. Swapped one bench for another….
    Good luck to him, always came across as a top bloke and some cracking full blooded tackles.
     

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