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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Bronco, May 5, 2021.

  1. Tony Wilkinson

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    Yeah course it is, I forgot, I don't have a passport, I'm just an ignorant two hat....right.. ?
     
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  2. Offcomedun

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    If you want to wear that cap then go right ahead, but I've never said any such thing. There are plenty of educated, intelligent right wingers with views like yours whose views I nevertheless regard as being bigoted and/or misguided. But your assertion that you are somehow typical of the population at large is laughable. The demographic that you represent is shrinking as a proportion of the electorate and you are on the right wing of that demographic. Your views may accord with those of the people you meet and associate with but that's very far from representative of the population at large.

    And I absolutely do find it hilarious that a man who has spent his entire life on one small island of rapidly diminishing world importance, with no experience of any other country, can accuse me of being sheltered from reality.
     
  3. Edin Nowhere

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    Got to love the soundbites from Sunak.

    We are focusing on what the people want.

    Yeah that will be why you've lost over 1000 seats so far.

    Who'd have thought a 2nd unelected PM in the space of 2 months would end up fronting a total shitshow.
     
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    sorry maybe I should give a full explanation, but thought it was obvious to anyone with one eye and a butterball.

    a newly elected prime minister at a general election is more unusual than a prime minister taking over without a general election, and this is across all PMs
     
  5. Bronco

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    Worrying Steve as you say with the Tories record of austerity from the subprime days you would think Labour would be well ahead.
     
  6. Offcomedun

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    Under normal circumstances the current Labour lead would be plenty for a healthy majority. But the massive Tory majority at the last election means that it requires exceptional measures to get them out. Starmer is a safe pair of hands who would be fine in most circumstances, and he has done a good job of re-floating the sinking ship from the Corbyn era. It took Labour much longer to recover from the Tory landslide in 1983 following Michael Foot's 'longest suicide note in history' manifesto. But Starmer doesn't have the charisma that Blair had to attract so many floating voters.
    It may be that there will be a hung parliament, requiring a second GE the following year to fully get them out, as Wilson did in '64.
     
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    I don't think Blair had to deal with the continuous infighting that surrounds Starmer. Labour have so many fractions each with their own self interests that they pretty much defeat themselves form within. Sad really because it's got to the stage the country is falling apart, like a ship with no Captain on the bridge but the rescue party is fighting on its own ship.
     
  8. Offcomedun

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    Blair was lucky in that Neil Kinnock had done the dirty work for him before he became leader. I was very active in the Labour Party in the 80s and a lot of that time was dominated by dealing with the Militant Tendency. TBH, they were far more of an issue than anything that exists in the Labour Party today. The Milli (as we called them) were an openly entryist Trotskyite party within a party, who had no place whatsoever in a modern democratic party. They preyed on young activists, filling their heads with revolutionary fervour, and burnt most of them out with their relentless campaigning demands. I hated them almost more than the Tories. Kinnocks's leadership period was blighted and dominated by expunging Militant from the party. Blair was lucky that he inherited a party that was newly energised and facing a worn out Tory Party with a single figure majority. Starmer's task is much harder, trying to form a majority government within five years of a Tory landslide.
     
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  9. Tony Wilkinson

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    Bit like today with XR, Just stop oil, Animal rising and the rest...history repeating itself ..
     
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    Exactly the issue that he's had for a long time.

    They'll pick up seats and probably win the next general election just purely by riding on anti-tory sentiment.

    But his lack of ideas and maybe more importantly his ever changing principles might put a hole in the Labour chances if a majority government. To be in that position given how their opposition is viewed is still a massive failing.
     
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    I'm not sure I agree with that. The Tory landslide was built purely on Brexit with a lot of the Red Qall voters pinching their noses and backing the party that linked with their leave ideal.

    Take that issue off the table and those life long Labour supporters SHOULD just revert to type with the minimum of effort. They haven't become Tory supporters generally over night.

    Add in the SNPs failing where Labour are the only other party in Scotland and the stars should really have aligned perfectly for a dominant Labour victory.
     
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    Does the Mail have no shame?
    This is the reality under Sunak's Britain and they are trying to blame it on the next block. Any laws the Tories want to introduce can be forced through with their massive majority and it was only last week Sunak claimed boats had been reduced by trying to con people into thinking a bout of bad weather was his policy actually working.

    At this stage Sunak and North of the border Sturgeon are handing a landslide at the next election to Starmer and it's all their own fault.

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    The shame is that these 2 problems could easily be dealt with within 24 hours, and no major party has any interest whatsoever.....shameful to say the least ....
     
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    It appears the French are escorting the boats halfway and our boarder force is picking them up half way. Is this what Sunak meant when he said he would stop the boats, a pick up service?

    In addition the laws to prevent people blocking the road exist already they are just not being policed.

    Sunak's Britain, not Keir's.
     
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    Of course it is, nobody would deny that, but the point is that Starmer would do absolutely nothing to remedy these 2 outrages situations.....
     
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    I don't disagree but I can only judge by what I see and at the moment the Daily Mail trying to spin what is happening right here, right now as something on Keir's doorstep is laughable. They should be firing shots at the current clown show, after all it was one week ago thats all that Sunak went down to Dover to claim a 20% reduction in boats simply because the weather was bad but claimed it as his success. A week later and we have over 1,500 crossing in 3 days.
     
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    Likewise, but for me Boris and Patel are also just as culpable, this country has gone down the toilet and what the MAIL are emphasising is that the tories have failed but this sh1tshow will just worsen under Starmer..wonder if really he is any better than Corbyn, remember Starmer is going to give the eco nutters just what they want...how does that help.. ?
     
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    It would worsen under Starmer. I'm not so sure. Sunak is a disaster. Unelected even by his own party who can't make a decision without it being made for him. It's funny how he calls Starmer Sir Softy when Starmer has dealt with people and suspended them in his party for wrong doing where as Sunak hopes the issues will go away and sits on his hands.

    At this stage we would be no worse off with a change of government, this one has run it's course and it has been a total disaster.
     
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