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  1. Mike Hunt

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    The genie is out of the bottle a bit here, I find it hard to believe anything will be back to exactly the same as it was 12 months ago, there will inevitably be a change in the way iFollow is used.
    Virtual reality headsets, that’s the next way to watch football, when Facebook gets some PL rights they’ll charge a fortune for it.
     
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    Here's my view for what it's worth regarding ifollow going forward. I have stated it on BT before. I don't know how it would work in practice. I go to all the home games and a few away games. Regardless of availability on ifollow that won't change (even if its raining or cold!) because it's about the match experience. However there is very little chance that I would ever go to, say, Exeter away, because I can't afford the time. But I would pay a tenner, or maybe even the price of a matchday ticket, to watch that match on ifollow. So potentially that's £20 that could be going back into the game that wouldn't otherwise. I am sure there must be hundreds of City fans and tens of thousands of fans nationwide in the same position.
     
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  3. Stafford Bantam

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    It's early days for the technology so, for now, many events are free, a bit like the early days of Sky Sports.

    Most of the sporting events are either from the US or are of less high value sports (e.g. tennis) and, of course, everything has been hit by the pandemic so, currently, events are few and far between.

    Before, say, the EFL even considers going down the VR route, it needs to sort out the quality of its iFollow broadcasts. VR would be very unforgiving of low bandwitdth issues.
     
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  4. Stafford Bantam

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    Whether or not VR takes off in the next few years, as @Mike Hunt@Mike Hunt states the genie is well and truly out of the bottle.

    Clubs, including City, need to plan for a world where your attendance is made up of those physically present and those watching remotely. If we try and cut off those watching remotely, then we will be damaging what is likely to develop into a huge revenue stream.

    With huge uncertainties still surrounding the game, because of the pandemic, iFollow access for all matches should be quickly agreed for the 2021/22 season. This will allow clubs to plan with a bit more certainty.

    Again, because of the uncertainties, I see little choice other than to come up with a season ticket option, for 2021/22, that again includes iFollow, as this protects the Club against having to issue refunds if supporters are unable to physically attend matches.

    Remember some clubs are facing the prospect of having to refund supporters for this season, whilst others have charged amounts way in excess of the iFollow prices, with no refund built into the terms and conditions.

    If we are expecting decent season ticket sales for 2021/22 we must have a degree of certainty, a promise that one way or another supporters will be able to watch matches. Otherwise we will have an impossible job in persuading some of our supporter base to buy the product.
     
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  5. A64 Bantam

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    Agree entirely. You can’t beat being there in person but ifollow has been the next best thing. This could be the first season ever where I will have seen every game thanks to ifollow.
     
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  6. Bigrod

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    Agree with you. I tend to go to games which are up to an hour and a half to two hours maximum drive. So probably down to Walsall at a push. I will also get the train to London and stay with family. Given that I like shoes, then I have been to Northampton a few times! ;)
    l understand from my sources, that the EFL are in serious discussion with clubs about making I-Follow more available next season, potentially this could have implications for live availability of matches on a Saturday, possibly as a package in with a Season Ticket.
    I would seriously be interested.
    This is one of these seminal moments, when the Luddites, despite their good intentions, just don’t get it.
    The future is highly likely to include I-follow. The technology is there (although it could easily be improved upon), the commentary is in place, the ability to make games available on line is in place.
    One small stage for the EFL, one potential huge step forward for supporters and clubs.
     
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  7. SimonW

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    It would kill non-league and also a number of clubs in the EFL. Clubs rely on getting casual fans through the gates when they can’t watch their own team. Some clubs such as yourselves provide way more casual fans than others and would also get way more people watching on iFollow so you might benefit but you also do the most damage.

    And worse of all the PL would scrap their 3PM blackout, I could see them then setting up their own individual streaming services or either selling all the matches not part of the U.K. TV a deal to someone like Amazon or setting up their own Netflix type service for all matches not part of the TV deal (and every pl match from the archives, highlights later in the week of all matches from the previous round of matches and a bunch of other content about the league and clubs). That would damage all non-PL clubs even more especially non-league
     
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  8. trevor

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    That was the argument years ago for not allowing televised games on TV, They were wrong then and would be wrong now, The more exposure football was given the more popular it got bringing in new audiences, iFollow would do the same
     
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  9. SimonW

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    It's not wrong though. Just look at this season, clubs like you are making decent bank because you have one of the biggest fan bases in the league so sell the most ifollow passes for home games while for away games most clubs don't reach the 500 sold so receive no income from away games BUT you exceed 500 most of the time with ease so then make money on every away ticket sold over 500. You are double-dipping while smaller clubs goto the wall. If PL clubs were proposing something like this you would be sitting in the corner crying about how they were trying to destroy your precious club but when its your precious club destroying others you are ecstatic for it.

    As someone who has attended alot of non-league football trust me most of the people at those matches aren't diehard fans. They are there because they can't watch their main team and its the best option to watch so football on a Saturday afternoon.

    Just to understand the finances at non-league. Loki Doki is doing an FM save with Basingstoke Town (series here) and he is working with the club. As part of that, he is doing a fundraiser to raise money to help the club survive. He was aiming for £5000 which isn't much which would keep the club afloat for a season, if not 2 (he is now closer to £10k). At the on the door price of £10 that's just TWENTY-SIX casual fans a home league match to secure the club for another season. And where you are telling me casual fans don't matter, the lower down the pyramid you go the more these casual fans DO MATTER

    The ONLY way this should be allowed to happen is if the EFL moves all games away from Saturday Afternoon. If the EFL is happy playing their matches on a Sunday in that gap between the two PL matches then I'm all for it but you can't have the bigger teams in the EFL damage non-league
     
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  10. NorthernMonkey

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    Absolutely agree. I mentioned the phrase "Turkeys voting for Christmas" earlier in the thread and that's exactly what this is.

    People like Big Rod can throw about the luddite insult all he wants but look to the future, say 10 years from now when, if he got his way, all matches are available, live on TV. The local casual football fan then has a choice of watching Man Utd vs Liverpool, a Leeds game or even Huddersfield vs Sheff Wed.

    How on earth would we persuade anyone to watch City at home to Barrow instead of those games? Whereas if football on TV is as restricted as possible there's always the chance we can tempt these people to VP to experience live football which beats the TV experience hands down. Or it should do, unless everyone's crowds half because its a "bit cold outside" and the progressive thinkers decide they'd rather sit on the couch drinking obscure poncey ales instead.
     
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    And that's the biggest market ifollow will appeal to. I watch it now as I have no choice for my football fix. But before that it was either an away day or the radio. It won't make a difference to the away games I go to but gives me a viable alternative to the radio coverage.
     
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    Why delete it?.I filled it in,I think the EFL are looking at streaming in a very big way,the questions are quite detailed,they seem quite serious about it.
     
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    "I love away games. I get to spend time with my 2 boys (I'm divorced so don't see them that much!!). "
    @QCFC BANTAM@QCFC BANTAM that might be as good a reason as there is to get to games. Hopefully you'll get that back soon, probably next season at this rate but what you say there is priceless.
     
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    My thought is no for normal seasons. I think it would have quite an effect on actual fans in attendance at some games, especially when the weather isn't so good, even with the more local fans

    I do think they should reintroduce the Flexi tickets though with a guaranteed seat. Perfect for people who cannot get to VP every week due to work commitments or long distance fans.
     
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  15. Wolfysmith

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    Exactly. Under normal circumstances UEFa don't allow any European league games to be broadcast on a Saturday afternoon (or something similar).
    There was a loop hole a few seasons back when those games fell on an international break. I know because I watched us away at Blackpool when it was Hopkins first game in charge.
    The only games normally allowed to be streamed in the UK are mid week matches.
    So unless there's a major shake up to the broadcast rules post-COVID it won't be something clubs will be able to offer.
     
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  16. Wolfysmith

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    The one possible change I'd like would be if we sell out the away end for a Saturday 3pm kick off then it's offered on iFollow. The home team would still benefit as the current rule is the revenue fron the first 500 iFollow passes goes to them and City would benefit from anything sold past that number.
    Take Exeter away. They got the money from 500 passes and we bagged 2000 passes. Not too shabby for either club.
    In reality it'll never happen because the football authorities have no common sense just a greed mentality.
     
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  17. Bigrod

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    I understand what you are saying, but many fans now literally just ‘turn up’ for the game and don’t bother with Food and Drink. Programme sales have dropped dramatically and some clubs only do online versions. So the match day revenue that would be ‘lost’ would be marginal (a number of these operations are on a franchise anyway).

    I think it is very clear that a very large percentage of fans on here, live a considerable distance away from Bradford (just think of the user names) and getting to a midweek match is impossible for that group (yourself from Tooting for example;)). Additionally others are working and by the time they get back home, it is too late to get to the match. I guess you could lose some, but in reality that would be a far smaller percentage than you are saying.

    I agree that having more fans in the ground is a good thing. If we could ever sell out, then the pressure on those who have the option to attend would increase. Clubs do reselling options, whereby your Season Ticket can be sold if you cannot make it in person and you get a percentage refund.

    My thoughts are that this option could possibly increase the uptake of tickets. As I said a lot on here, live so far away, that it is not a practical option to buy a Season Ticket at present. With I-follow included, it could actually increase season ticket sales.
     
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    As you know Rod, my food and drink is a pie and a pint (or three) in the NBH. Can't wait, if William is still trading that is.
     
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  19. Bigrod

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    Thanks for your detailed response and considered reply.

    Perhaps I don’t live as far away as you, but it is over 26 miles from VP. For a weekday match it means travelling over the M62, which between 6.00 - 6.45pm is still incredibly busy and from time to time has stoppages due to accidents. From November to March the weather can be very unpredictable.

    As I said in my original post, several of our group live far to far away to get to a midweek match and indeed a lot of weekend games. It is over 8 hours of travel back and forth from London.

    You wont lose fans who ‘wont bother’, if they buy a Season Ticket with an I-follow pass. In fact it may well be the opposite in that some who can get to say four games a season, may buy a Season Ticket.

    The club could always say that it would not sell the I-follow package to Supporters who have BD, HD, HX and LS postcodes.

    They obviously have the technology and commentators in place. Where there is a will, there is a way.
     
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  20. trevor

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    Lots of disabled fans would love to watch games on iFollow on a Saturday instead of the dire radio offering,
    A registration scheme with an iFollow pass would be great
     
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