Season tickets (Now with guess how Many Poll)

There is no way way a man of Rupps wealth and business acumen knew what was going on. Rahic fooled everybody and if you can’t see that then you’re a special kind of stupid.

 

The T&A

 

Fooled everybody hahaha who are you going to blame next season?

 

Not quite. The last time we were in league 2 our prices were 25% higher. Even 13k season tickets doesn't make up for that shortfall especially when you consider that some of them will be flexis too.

Our budget is going to be average unless Rupp puts some money in.

 

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Look at @Bradford End post, it's one of our best at league two level. I didn't say our best budget I said one of our best. If the flexi card holders go over the threshold it actually benefits the club more than a season ticket so not a bad thing?

Either way, I'm confident it will be one of our better budgets at that level.

 

Reading that report he must have satisfied Rhodes that it was going to be covered because he talks of a competitive budget next season with planning underway I think in the T&A he talks of mending the finances for the future

 

So how are we paying the bills? Yes pledging is not the same as hard cash into the account. Nevertheless, I doubt JR would have stayed if he was concerned if he thought the pledge would not materialise. I heard rumours long before JR arrived that our finances were in a mess, not least the 3/4 accountants that came and went. I also heard that allegedly money was going missing, I will leave it to you to work out who that might be allegedly.

 

[QUOTE="There is a drawback, of course. Because of the reduced prices Bradford are not making two or three times as much money as their rivals. Roughly speaking, they have dropped their prices by half and gained twice as many supporters, so income-wise they are little better off. “[/QUOTE]

Median League 1 attendance this season is 4300. If we get 13k each match, we have 3 times that so maybe1.5 times the median ticket revenue with our half-price tickets. (Okay some will be flexis but we might have more walk-ups, especially if we start well.) Then we should get about 3 times the commercial revenue for having 3 times as many bums on seats - though Bradford, as a poor city, might get a little less than typical "per bum". All things being equal (which they never are in practice), we should have around 2.25 times the revenue of the median League 2 club of about £2m

Then you have to allow for the higher non-playing overheads we carry. At that point the comparisons get very difficult. If I had to guess I'd say ours we're just over £2m while the median League 2 club might be around £1m or so. (Ours being double or more thanks to higher crowds, bigger ground and renting it.) That might leave a playing budget for us of £2m or so, versus about £1m or so for the median League 2 club.

That's still not the full story since owners put money in. Typically, in League 2, that is £200k+ (though varies hugely). So expect a median League 1 playing budget of maybe £1.3m plus add-ons like cup runs and transfers. Maybe expect other clubs' playing budgets to be in a range of £700k to £3m? On 13k+ crowds, our breakeven playing budget ought to be somewhere just over £2m - ahead of the median - but much of that will already be taken up retained players. Will Rupp top that up? Well, he'll probably HAVE to fund replacements for some of the positions of some of the released players. I'd guess at a budget of £3m and pushing £1m loss next year but it won't be because we've signed lots of great League 2 players to fill in the gaps - they'd probably cost extra.

 

I think it is what people keep mentioning on here manageable debt

 

Median League 1 attendance this season is 4300. If we get 13k each match, we have 3 times that so maybe1.5 times the median ticket revenue with our half-price tickets. (Okay some will be flexis but we might have more walk-ups, especially if we start well.) Then we should get about 3 times the commercial revenue for having 3 times as many bums on seats - though Bradford, as a poor city, might get a little less than typical "per bum". All things being equal (which they never are in practice), we should have around 2.25 times the revenue of the median League 2 club of about £2m

Then you have to allow for the higher non-playing overheads we carry. At that point the comparisons get very difficult. If I had to guess I'd say ours we're just over £2m while the median League 2 club might be around £1m or so. (Ours being double or more thanks to higher crowds, bigger ground and renting it.) That might leave a playing budget for us of £2m or so, versus about £1m or so for the median League 2 club.

That's still not the full story since owners put money in. Typically, in League 2, that is £200k+ (though varies hugely). So expect a median League 1 playing budget of maybe £1.3m plus add-ons like cup runs and transfers. Maybe expect other clubs' playing budgets to be in a range of £700k to £3m? Our breakeven playing budget ought to be somewhere just over £2m - ahead of the median - but much of that will already be taken up retained players. Will Rupp top that up? Well, he'll probably HAVE to fund replacements for some of the positions of some of the released players. I'd guess at a budget of £3m and pushing £1m loss next year but it won't be because we've signed lots of great League 2 players to fill in the gaps - they'd probably cost extra.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the breakdown. We just have to get in the right players then.

 

I'm not too sure about that mate. we used to sell about 10-11k season tickets the last time we were in league 2 consistently. When you take our current total of 13k season tickets but account that they're 25% cheaper, plus flexi card holders who only buy one with the intention of spending less than the full price of a season ticket, then the money generated works out at roughly the same. It'll be marginal either way.

 

Median League 1 attendance this season is 4300. If we get 13k each match, we have 3 times that so maybe1.5 times the median ticket revenue with our half-price tickets. (Okay some will be flexis but we might have more walk-ups, especially if we start well.) Then we should get about 3 times the commercial revenue for having 3 times as many bums on seats - though Bradford, as a poor city, might get a little less than typical "per bum". All things being equal (which they never are in practice), we should have around 2.25 times the revenue of the median League 2 club of about £2m

Then you have to allow for the higher non-playing overheads we carry. At that point the comparisons get very difficult. If I had to guess I'd say ours we're just over £2m while the median League 2 club might be around £1m or so. (Ours being double or more thanks to higher crowds, bigger ground and renting it.) That might leave a playing budget for us of £2m or so, versus about £1m or so for the median League 2 club.

That's still not the full story since owners put money in. Typically, in League 2, that is £200k+ (though varies hugely). So expect a median League 1 playing budget of maybe £1.3m plus add-ons like cup runs and transfers. Maybe expect other clubs' playing budgets to be in a range of £700k to £3m? On 13k+ crowds, our breakeven playing budget ought to be somewhere just over £2m - ahead of the median - but much of that will already be taken up retained players. Will Rupp top that up? Well, he'll probably HAVE to fund replacements for some of the positions of some of the released players. I'd guess at a budget of £3m and pushing £1m loss next year but it won't be because we've signed lots of great League 2 players to fill in the gaps - they'd probably cost extra.[/QUOTE]
I think we are probably still receiving instalments from the Charlie Wyke transfer. There is also a chance McBurnie might move which some say we will receive a percentage of any fee

 

@Dennis you quite rightly raise a number of points that cannot be disproved and I totally trust your financial assessment of the club. So do you think they are overplaying the financial deficit? As you say the necessary paper/electronic work should be there and it isn’t. If you are correct then we are being given lots of disinformation which has been reported in the press. I am relieved that the rumours about missing money is incorrect as we have enough to deal with at the moment.

Why would they do this to their own fans?

 

Ok will try harder

 

@Dennis did you mean this article

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/17526025.owner-rupp-im-still-committed-to-bradford-city/