Racism

Rubbish !!
A slur is a slur. Anything else is what the viewer perceives it as. Once blinkered, always blinkered !!

 

Quack!

 

You've never had it. So just keep it slammed firmly shut, OK ?

 

How it's perceived depends on the context. You could, harmlessly, tell your grandkids to pop into the paki shop for a bottle of milk without having any malicious intent at all. The use of the word in this context may not necessarily be racially motivated.

This is the part you're not getting though. The term is also, very commonly, used in the most deroragtory way possible, designed to abuse people on the basis of their race. That, in addition to the race fuelled historical violence the word derives from is why p**i is widely accepted as a racial slur. It's baffling how you can't comprehend this.

 

It's a bit like teaching astro physics to a woodlouse. I admire your persistence.

 

Boom, we have a winner. Succinctly written and to the point.

 

@RonnieBrown

regarding this post here:
https://bantamtalk.com/index.php?threads/what-does-relegation-mean-to-you.2385/page-18#post-203786

To be perfectly honest, I had no idea the C word was racist until a few posters on C & B had pointed it out. Here's the difference between me and you. I looked up the term, educated myself on the topic and established why the term can be very offensive to black people and is regarded as racist. I haven't even thought about using it since.

You on the other hand will defend it's use to the hilt just because things were different in your day.

As you also think it's perfectly fine for those of Pakistani heritage to be on the receiving end of the P word despite being told why it's wrong, I'm not even going to attempt to explain the C word, but I'll say this:

You immediately jump to the defence of every racist term going which is very inconsiderate to those who have suffered backlash at the back of those words. You're too arrogant to educate yourself and see why those terms are rightly offensive and your constant denial to facts leads to me believe that you may actually just be a tiny, tiny bit racist.

It's not PC gone mad to want to move away from a time where folk were abused on the basis of their skin colour.

 

I'm not quite sure where to start @Tolly856

NO, I do not wholly support the 'C' word, I was merely pointing out how things change.
ALSO - In NO way do I respect the P word, as more often than not ... It IS used in a racist way.

I do NOT defend EVERY racist term. I look at the context in how it was applied, before passing judgement. I have, in the past sent a PM to a couple of posters, rather than report them. The result was satisfying, in that both apologised in the subject thread.

I blame PC for many things, but please point out where in my post I claimed 'PC gone mad'

I make allowances for the ignorant, but I'll not tolerate blatant racism.
Therefore, I would suggest it is you, who is arrogant and needs educating.

 

I told you p*ki was a racist slur and you strongly denied it, even when i told you it was used to abuse people on the basis of their race. Your excuse was that its PC gone mad and that the term is inoffensive. I may have jumped the gun but I got the same impression with your post regarding the C word where you said that *paraphrasing* you used it before and it's only an issue now because of political correctness, rather than the reason being because its actually quite racist (within context of course)

To be fair Ron, this is actually one of your better posts and it looks like the penny has finally dropped. Bravo.

 

The whole debate and faux outrage of many on the subject of racism amuses me somewhat. Do i think its wrong? Yeah, but then i find i lot of things in the world wrong. It all depends on the context of what is said and how outraged as a person you want to be. Always offence in anything if you are really looking for it. In fact i was browsing twitter the other day, someone had taken offence at Bradford Park Avenue using the wording 'Proper Bradford' in their season ticket advertising due to the fact that ( wait for this one, its a beauty) the racial set up of their team did not truly reflect the diverse community of Bradford, so using the term 'Proper' was somewhat factually incorrect. What a time to be alive eh?

 

It's a problem, while you have @Tolly856 in here saying that paki etc etc etc is racist and I do agree it's the context. I think a massive problem is that mixed race refer to their friends as Niggas, Pakistani decendants refer to each other as Pakis and it isn't even hidden, they aren't shy about it but what it does is it encourages people that the wording is ok to use.

If anybody fancies giving it an answer, as I do think it's wrong, but why do the modern generation call themselves Niggas and Pakis if they feel they are such derogatory terms?

 

Bit of a straw man is that though, Roger, surely?..Just because someone on Twitter is looking for some attention, doesn’t mean that racist bigots shouldn’t be pulled up on their utter wilful ignorance, because they don’t like being called racist bigots.

 

I should have put its my own personal opinion m8. I'll be honest, in all my years i've hardly ever come across it. And thats living in a city like Bradford where i get the impression i should be experiencing it every day. Listen to people like Tommy Robinson and David Lammy you would think every Muslim walks round looking to blow people up or groom every girl on the street or in the case of the one trick pony Lammy that every white person walks around with white pointed hat and white cloak on. It just isn't the case. Its blown up out of all proportion, as soon as the word racism gets a mention, folk go into bat shit crazy mode.

 

In most of my posts, I try to address the wider audience, as there are so many reading. And this is where my greater fault lies. In so doing, I am not so eager to condemn because of some excessive tolerances. You mention the P word ....... and yes, you're right. However, I took advantage of the situation and applied it to other nationalities - rightly or wrongly, so therefore one could assume I condoned its use.

What I do find offensive ........... Are those posters who 'skirt' PC and racism, by meeting all criteria, but using Bradford postal districts instead. ONLY the blind or totally ignorant would fail to see exactly which group this is aimed at.

I've news for you Tolly ...... The 'penny dropped' years ago ! It is not my place, or responsibility to educate all those whom I meet. I dare say I'd be vilified if I attempted to.

 

it's fairly obvious that a Pakistani calling another Pakistani a "paki" or a black person calling another black person a "nigga" isn't being used with malicious intent designed to abuse the other person on the basis of their race. When you have other races using it towards said race you'll find that A) quite often it is used in a derogatory way and B) Even when it's not, it's not always clear that the term wasn't used in racist form, and those blurred lines means there's scope for offence which doesn't exist when certain race use said word amongst themselves.

I will add onto that, i don't believe that this is a case of us and them. An attitude of "If they can use it, why can't we". I grew up in a Pakistani area, went to a predominantly Pakistani school, have spend my entire life around Pakistani people and most don't even use it amongst each other. In fact, I don't even remember the last time the word cropped up in conservation and I can think of quite a few Pakistani's who, like yourself, believe that it shouldn't be used all together. I'm one of them.

When the N word isnt being used racially which any sane person opposes , it seems to be used quite often as a compliment. Again, I'm sure there are plenty of black people who oppose this and a guess, the young chavs that use it amongst each other aren't the ones screaming racism when they hear it. most of them aren't particulary PC to begin with and are probably too thick to consider the real meaning of the word. Those are offended, go back the first couple of paragraphs.

That's my take on it anyway...

 

An interesting one.

Can I bore you just for a few minutes RT ?

A few years ago, my grandson and I were watching 'Voyager' (A Star Treck spin off). He asked if humans would EVER accept aliens ? I had to laugh.

After - I spoke to him about racism, or should I say prejudice ?

Some 200 years ago, it was deemed unacceptable for a bloke to 'date' or marry a girl from a few villages away.

That trend still repeats, like a poor meal, in sport.
Newcastle fans still taunt soft Southern w4nkers
Just as Gooners call the Mancs dirty Northern b4st4rds.

Moving swiftly on, we now live in a more cosmopolitan world, and although generally we are more receptive and compliant, there remain groups who will not, or can not change. And like it or not, those same groups, with the rest have to share the same small planet.

 

Bang on mate, I grew up with a lot of Pakistanis at both primary and upper school so I know where you are coming from. They are words that were used a lot, I think it's a generational thing where the older generation don't want to hear the words because of the the meaning behind them but the for me the younger generation don't see these words as offensive as their parents did.

It's just a concern that I still see it all over social media Pakistanis calling themselves pakis etc etc, whether it's wrong or right or people aren't smart enough to click on they shouldn't use it, it encourages them because they think ''Ah it's ok they call each other it''.

If a word is to be classed a offensive, it shouldn't be used full stop whether it's being friendly or not.

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As if to pour petrol onto the fire ...... Society in general can only blame itself, to a degree.
NOT only racist / prejudicial slurs, but the accepted free and open use of foul language. Mix the two together, and it automatically creates conflict.

 

I feel for immigrants / foreigners / whatever coming to our country. (It must be the same in reverse, no ?)

Just over a year ago, my missus decided (following a 'machine test') to employ an East European woman, who spoke little English, but she knew how to sew.

After a while (and improved English) the woman asked my missus "What are chop head tomatoes" ? lol.
At Christmas, she was out having an OK time and a stranger insisted on buying her a drink. OH wow ......... A J2O !!
He later asked to walk her home - She declined. Abuse began.

Back at work the woman asked my missus "what is a W-horay" ?
The guy scrawled this (Whore) on her car bonnet. Scum bag.

So yes, people DO need to be educated, but we should also be willing to accept new neighbours.