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Premier League and EFL reform [UPDATE 3 Dec 2020: Rescue Package Agreed]

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Fordy117, Oct 11, 2020.

  1. How

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    How anyone not in the top 6 thinks this is a good idea is beyond me. It’s a total power grab. They are dangling a carrot with the efl money and the gullible chairman are lapping it up. Games totally gone in this country if this passes
     
  2. Super bantams

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    This is not a good idea.

    League Cup axed and also with Premiership reduced to 18 teams means 2 teams will be thrown out of the league due to restructuring.

    Premiership are only making proposals that benefit them and nobody else.
     
  3. Super bantams

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    No it doesn't all other leagues numbers are unchanged. So 2 teams will be relegated into non league
     
  4. JonButterfield

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    Let's nominate teams, it'll be fairer.
     
  5. SimonW

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    The thing is though the smaller Premier League teams have been holding English Football to ransom for years now. As I've already mentioned the plan for the Premier League was always to reduce down to 18 teams. When it came to ratifying reductions the smaller teams dug their heals in, just getting down to 20 saw the ridiculous parachute payment setup which just helps create yoyo clubs and then situations where those who have real issues and even drop out of the Championship to have vast amounts coming in that the others can't compete with.

    Getting back to the original plan and distributing the money that goes to the EFL in a fairer way is a positive for all but the clubs that basically abuse the parachute payment situation
     
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  6. Tony Wilkinson

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    They already treat those2 competitions with contempt anyway...
     
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    imaging supporting a premier league team and paying £400+ for a season ticket for 19 home games.
    Then paying the same amount for 17 Matches.
    Will the players get a pay cut for working less.
    The only way to stop this stupidity and not harm the integrity of the game is salary cap all the divisions. The madness of clubs in the championship , chasing the dream of premier league riches , is what is driving the massive debts.
    Anyone portraying the big premier league teams as the saving heroes here , need thier heads examined, they atre the causing factor.
     
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    It won't be long before the return of northern and southern leagues once again in my opinion.

    That may increase attendances with shorter distances involved, bringing in more revenue per club. Maybe a playoff to join the championship or two from each league.

    In the proposal, handing over your books to the elite members of the premiership to be audited, will go down like a lead balloon I'd imagine. Also, the mention of "hard salary caps". What exactly does that mean? Is the current cap considered hard or do they want to go further?

    My view is, let the so called top 6 go and create a European Super League and let the rest of us get on with it. Unless you're owned by billionaires, you'll never get into that exclusive club anyway. They won't allow it...
     
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    It will be interesting to see how the monies given to Leagues 1/2 are ring fence, who will make the rules that it can only be spent on.
    We've seen in the past owners screwing clubs, what would stop an owner playing lip service to the EFL and pocketing most of the money ?.
     
  11. Tony Wilkinson

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    I fear that a combination of greed and covid will finish off football as we know it , our generation would just have to live off the happy memories that we have witnessed over the last 50/60 years, sad really...
     
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  13. How

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    Trying his best to look after Liverpool. Get rid of him
    He sounds like @Fordy117@Fordy117
     
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    Peterbrough owner on talksport predicts by December that 5-6 clubs won't be able to pay their players wages. He's predicting that December will be when it gets really bad and he's going to have to put in £700,000 of his own money.
    The Government are really making a mess of this.
     
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  15. Fordy117

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    Look, like @Dennis@Dennis has pointed out this is just a proposal and it might mean back to the drawing but one thing is now clear 250m to the EFL will not just be handed over!

    Man City last week mentioned that they said the football league format is a shambles, doesn't work and suggested under PL under 23 teams to join it.

    Rochdale chairman on Sky has said thinks he will back it as it means getting the money in now.

    Liverpool and Man Utd have basically started the ball rolling. They already have the backing of Spurs and West Ham. It's 9 teams not 6 that will control things. Changes to the EFL will happen! It's a matter of time.

    How can Bradford City owned by Rupp have no assets? It's a joke mate.
     
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  16. How

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    We all knew they would never hand it over. But why aren’t the EFL looking at alternatives instead of pushing this clear agenda with the first proposal?
     
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  17. SimonW

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    It's not though. Again as I keep saying we have a small group of clubs who basically spend a lot of time yoyoing who have been controlling English football for only this small group benefit. They hinder English clubs chances in Europe, they hinder the national team and they hinder 99% of the EFL. These clubs benefit massively from the current setup, they get promoted, get a massive payday, don't generally invest, go down with massive parachute payments which then gives them a massive chance of coming back up within the next few seasons and the cycle repeating. The Parachute payments mean even if a club implodes as we have seen with Sunderland they don't even have to take their situation seriously and that until the wage cap (although they get away with ignoring it as they had many of their players on long contracts so they don't get included fully) it meant they had an advantage and that pushed everyone else into overspending.

    The parachute payments only exist because the way the voting worked the original plan of the PL couldn't go through without giving them that and it's massively unfair on the rest of the EFL. Teams shouldn't be being run with the sole intention of trying to hold on while banking the large riches and then still banking the riches when they go down. They should be wanting to actually try and improve and win things but it doesn't make sense in the current setup. Sure this does see a move to give 8 clubs who have proven long-term PL pedigree (and then Man City) more power but it also makes the whole setup and the distribution of money much fairer. There will be less need for clubs to look to get into this cycle as it will be a smoother transition moneywise and you will see a fairer more competitive setup across the board.

    To highlight the way these 'yoyo' clubs have been looking after themselves look at the whole PPV thing. By all accounts, there were two groups, 8 headed by Ed Woodward who wanted it to be between £5-10 and free access to season ticket holders, and then 12 'smaller' clubs who were calling for north of £15 and no free access to ST holders. No side had the votes to get what they wanted and it ended up with the smaller clubs looking for the biggest cash grab ended up winning out as all the Premier League clubs needed to replace some of the matchday income they are losing (and the threat of the TV money that may be held back) so that's how we got what we did
     
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    Sounds like Rupp is going to have to put his hand in his pocket to just keep us afloat. Let's hope his heart is in it.
     
  19. How

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    Are you sure your vision of it will work as easily as that? Surely clubs coming up under this new system will not even invest in their sides heavily because they are too scared when they go down the money isn’t backing them up?
    Plus how do you mean clubs do not use parachute or PL money to invest? West Brom have just announced plans to build start of the art academy training complex on site with the first team. With gym etc. That’s just one example of a yo yo club. I am sure there are countless others
     
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  20. Dennis

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    It would never have resulted in the PL simply saying 'here you are EFL, £250mill of our money to keep you going for as long as you need it'. There were always going to be strings attached to the funding deal, both footballing and structural ones. It also surprises me that the Govt are opposed to the proposal since it gets them out of an EFL shaped hole and could provide much needed money in their red wall areas.

    Yes, there will be losers in the midle to lower end of the PL and particularly for those who are relegated and will no longer receive parachute payments. The proposal should be supported by football fans just for that!

    There is a bigger game going on here and it shouldn't surprise anybody that it's the two main US owned clubs which are leading on the proposal. So far Sky and BT have been a little quiet on this. The last thing they want is for US TV broadcasters to get more involved. The notion of either Amazon or NetFlix extending their own access to the PL games will be of major concern to BT and Sky.
     
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