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Premier League and EFL reform

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Fordy117, Oct 11, 2020.

  1. bantamdave41

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    What's happens to the two teams relegated from the Premier League?

    Does the 72 become 74 and potentially more games added to the calendar within the football pyramid or will we see 4 relegated from league 2 or even worse, two relegated from league 2 and no promotion from the non league?
     
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    "Leagues One and Two: promotion of 3 clubs. Relegation of 4 clubs"
     
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    I am getting sick and tired , of these mega rich foreign owners of the football clubs in the uk.
    They care not one jot for the history and tradition of the game, just want to line their pockets.
    We were also told how good the premier league and the influx of foreign players , would be for the national team.
    We have still won nothing since 1966 and that drivel today. I got more exitment clipping my toe nails.
     
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    The "big" six have actually only finished 1st to 6th on five occasions.

    Im quite happy for these clubs to feck off and play in their European super league. The sooner they do the better. This new proposal is all lined up for it anyway. Longer pre season, no charity shield or league Cup and less fixtures with there being 18 teams. It means they can bugger off to Madrid and Milan and Paris no problem while still competing domestically.
    As soon as the TV deal with the champions league ends then this will be a reality imo.
     
  5. Fordy117

    Fordy117 Just call me Mr Flip-Flop!

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    Read the proposal again.

    And what would you want under 23's in League 1 and 2?

    The PL clubs are not going to give the EFL 250m for nothing. Please get that in your head.
     
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    I think what a lot of people forget is it was always the intention for the PL to be reduced to 18 teams. The problem was whenever it came to ratifying it those who felt they may be bottom half would vote against it. It took enough to drop down to 20 and that was a big part of what caused parachute payments.

    The amount of football played in the top division in England really doesn't help us. When there are big European games most of the other leagues where there is less football and hence more flexibility in the schedules will give the teams a week off, especially in Germany which is never an option in England. And for our international team players often go into a world cup or euros with the squad having on average played more games than the other teams.

    TBH the one thing I don't like about the proposal is the infrastructure part. IMHO it should include training/medical facilities, That's the big issue I have with the EFL right now is you send a young player to most clubs they may get some first-team minutes but they won't really develop technically and their fitness side will often drop (and god forbid they get any kind of injury)

    I really like the change to the playoffs. So often the team that comes through the championship playoff just isn't ready for the PL. The change will set a benchmark for them to achieve if they come through a playoff which involves the 3rd from bottom in the PL it suggests they have the basis to be competitive, rather than being on of those clubs just looking for a season in the PL and then the parachute payment

    The changes to loans as well to allow recalls if the manager changes is also a major step. All too often players are loaned to get experience, the manager who signed them then gets sacked and they get frozen out but the club has to leave them rotting in the reserves with the substandard training facilities.

    Having the PL sell the EFL rights may also be a plus, its something that happens in the SVOD market a lot. You have this appealing show that people want but rather than just selling that they go 'how about you give us x instead and we will throw in this bundle of other shows'. This extra amount is more than they would get selling these other shows separately and it's down to the power the bigger show brings. There is a really good chance then that the rights will sell for more and each club will get a better cut.

    Mind you I really don't know why they are keeping the EFL branding. Just call them the Premier League. Premier League 2, premier league 3 and premier league 4. Would be a much easier sell as the EFL branding makes things confusing (I mean seriously having the 4 tier league being league 2 is just daft)
     
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    Why do the EFL have to bend over to the Premier league??
    I've read the proposal.. Its utter drivel.
     
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    The National League North and South have been planning to increase the size of their league and until clubs having financial issues and also COVID they would have done so for this season. This would fit in with those plans fairly well. I believe there was also talk of some of the leagues below looking to increase numbers because the size of the divisions down there is all over the place. You can have 4 leagues at the same tier, one that has just 12 teams and another than has 24 and the other two somewhere in the middle
     
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    That's not totally true though. Chelsea and City didn't used to be in that group of the 'powerhouse teams' while the likes of Leeds, Blackburn and Villa were. It does evolve and teams can both fall out of it and also get into that group.
     
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    I imagine the English League would have huge potential if there ever was a European league.

    The cost of games, particularly away games, would be astronomical. The only fans would be long time fans or wealthy people.

    The English League should be able to entice English fans back to the real clubs with history.
     
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    We aren't bothered about your premier league @Fordy117@Fordy117 stick it up your scouse ass
     
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    The PL clubs largely don't want a European Super League. The push for that largely comes from clubs in Europe because basically, no-one wants to watch German matches unless its the likes of Bayern vs Dortmund so their tv rights income is awful. Their European competition TV money makes up a much larger percentage of their revenues than the English clubs and they see a super league as a way of levelling the playing field.
     
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    It's been mooted since I was a kid, whether it's any closer to happening or not I wouldn't know.

    But it would be a chance to reclaim English football in some sense if it did ever happen.
     
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    Best idea is say yes to what ever premier league want but they can't enter fa cup or league Cup see how that sits with the overpaid prima Donna's
     
  15. Fordy117

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    Do you see Rupp and the other EFL owners of clubs wanting to put 2-3 million in a pot to get the 250m + that they want from the PL?

    No!so get back in your hole.
     
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    Again though it largely comes from Europe. The English clubs are often fine with it being discussed as its a good negotiating tool without them having to do anything. But if we have a quick look at the current Domestic rights deals

    League Value Tiers covered
    English Premier League £1.665b 1
    French Ligue 1 £1.038b 1 & 2
    German Bundesliga £1.030b 1 & 2
    Spanish La Liga £1.010bn 1 & 2
    Italian Serie A £862m 1
    Turkish Süper Lig £393m 1
    Brazilian Campeonato Série A £250m 1
    English Football League £119m 2-4
    Portuguese Primeira Liga £110m 1
    Belgium A/B & Womens division £93m 1-2 + W
    US MLS £71m 1
    Dutch Eredivisie £67m 1


    And that's just the top 12. There are a bunch of European countries not yet listed who would have teams in it who get very little. The fact the EFL gets more than alot of the top European leagues tells alot, as does the fact that their value is about 1/10th of some of the biggest leagues in the world such as Spain, Germany, France and Italy

    As we also show less domestic games its even better for English teams on a per match basis

    Rank League Country UEFA Rank Number of Live Games Value Per Game
    1. Premier League England 2nd 200 £8.75m
    2. Bundesliga Germany 4th 306 £3.36m (€3.86m)
    3. Ligue 1 France 5th 380 £2.68m (€3.075m)
    4. Serie A Italy 3rd 380 £2.27m (€2.61m)
    5. LigaBBVA Spain 1st 380 £1.94m (€2.23m)
    6. Süper Lig Turkey 11th 306 £1.28m (₺11.05m)
    7. Football League England N/A 168 £708k
    8. Ladbrokes Premiership Scotland 14th 54 £595k
    9. Liga NOS Portugal 7th 306 £360k (€413k (est.)
    10. Jupiler League Belgium 9th 240 £280k (€321k)


    The EFL jumps up 1 place and is significantly closer on a per match basis to these top leagues (Scotland gets an even better bump mind you)

    They see the money in England and see the super league as a way of getting the same kind of money. The English clubs really wouldn't see the same kind of benefit
     
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    I'm well aware of the which clubs have been powerhouse teams of the past. That's irrelevant to the current proposal. One of the purposes of the Man U/Liverpool proposal is to bake in the current Big 6 and remove the likelihood of any new clubs joining the inner circle and one or more being expelled. What has happened in the past has little relevance moving forward. The investment which the Big 6 have already made in say the past decade to reach that position is, in the owners minds, sufficient justification to hard bake the current Big 6. Whether that's the right thing to do I suspect depends on where owners realistically expect their clubs to be in future years.

    It's of no importance to me personally because I have little interest in the PL. But it will be of immense importance to clubs outside of the current Big 6 who will be effectively excluded from joining that group. We'll have to wait and see whether the PL and the the other PL clubs buy into the current Liverpool/Man U proposal or whether it's simply an opening gambit.
     
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    For sure, and that's interesting. I'm not disputing who wants it most it why, in just saying if it did happen it should work out well for those English teams not involved.
     
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    You seriously need to open your eyes and think. It's not just about the PL:

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/oct/11/plan-to-mend-the-great-crack-in-football-pyramid-should-not-be-swept-off-the-table

    Nicking Dan Kennett's point that the offer being put forward would average out to £8m+ for each other club down the other divisions. This is what they get currently (again via Dan Kennett):

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    That's what EFL clubs currently receive in solidarity payments from the Sky/PL TV contract. EFL clubs also receive almost as much again from the quite separate EFL TV broadcasting contract. The Liverpool/Man U proposal wants the PL to have exclusive rights over the broadcasting of all football games including the EFL's and to share that on some basis with the EFL. If that happens then the current solidarity payment (including whatever distribution of the PL's TV contract is agreed) from the PL would need to more or less double to make sure EFL clubs weren't worse off. And realistically, that would mean rmoving the parachute payment regime as David Conn suggest. The big losers in that will be the former PL clubs who receive parachute payments with the winners being the rest of the EFL clubs. As much as I'd like to see more money going into the EFL, I cannot imagine why the majority of the PL clubs would vote for that since some of them would inevitably lose out.
     

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