That's not totally true though. Chelsea and City didn't used to be in that group of the 'powerhouse teams' while the likes of Leeds, Blackburn and Villa were. It does evolve and teams can both fall out of it and also get into that group.
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I imagine the English League would have huge potential if there ever was a European league.
The cost of games, particularly away games, would be astronomical. The only fans would be long time fans or wealthy people.
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Best idea is say yes to what ever premier league want but they can't enter fa cup or league Cup see how that sits with the overpaid prima Donna's
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League Value Tiers covered English Premier League £1.665b 1 French Ligue 1 £1.038b 1 & 2 German Bundesliga £1.030b 1 & 2 Spanish La Liga £1.010bn 1 & 2 Italian Serie A £862m 1 Turkish Süper Lig £393m 1 Brazilian Campeonato Série A £250m 1 English Football League £119m 2-4 Portuguese Primeira Liga £110m 1 Belgium A/B & Womens division £93m 1-2 + W US MLS £71m 1 Dutch Eredivisie £67m 1
And that's just the top 12. There are a bunch of European countries not yet listed who would have teams in it who get very little. The fact the EFL gets more than alot of the top European leagues tells alot, as does the fact that their value is about 1/10th of some of the biggest leagues in the world such as Spain, Germany, France and Italy
As we also show less domestic games its even better for English teams on a per match basis
Rank League Country UEFA Rank Number of Live Games Value Per Game 1. Premier League England 2nd 200 £8.75m 2. Bundesliga Germany 4th 306 £3.36m (€3.86m) 3. Ligue 1 France 5th 380 £2.68m (€3.075m) 4. Serie A Italy 3rd 380 £2.27m (€2.61m) 5. LigaBBVA Spain 1st 380 £1.94m (€2.23m) 6. Süper Lig Turkey 11th 306 £1.28m (₺11.05m) 7. Football League England N/A 168 £708k 8. Ladbrokes Premiership Scotland 14th 54 £595k 9. Liga NOS Portugal 7th 306 £360k (€413k (est.) 10. Jupiler League Belgium 9th 240 £280k (€321k)
The EFL jumps up 1 place and is significantly closer on a per match basis to these top leagues (Scotland gets an even better bump mind you)
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It's of no importance to me personally because I have little interest in the PL. But it will be of immense importance to clubs outside of the current Big 6 who will be effectively excluded from joining that group. We'll have to wait and see whether the PL and the the other PL clubs buy into the current Liverpool/Man U proposal or whether it's simply an opening gambit. -
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/oct/11/plan-to-mend-the-great-crack-in-football-pyramid-should-not-be-swept-off-the-table
Nicking Dan Kennett's point that the offer being put forward would average out to £8m+ for each other club down the other divisions. This is what they get currently (again via Dan Kennett):
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This is not a good idea.
League Cup axed and also with Premiership reduced to 18 teams means 2 teams will be thrown out of the league due to restructuring.
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Getting back to the original plan and distributing the money that goes to the EFL in a fairer way is a positive for all but the clubs that basically abuse the parachute payment situationStop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand... -
It will be interesting to see how the monies given to Leagues 1/2 are ring fence, who will make the rules that it can only be spent on.
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Man City last week mentioned that they said the football league format is a shambles, doesn't work and suggested under PL under 23 teams to join it.
Rochdale chairman on Sky has said thinks he will back it as it means getting the money in now.
Liverpool and Man Utd have basically started the ball rolling. They already have the backing of Spurs and West Ham. It's 9 teams not 6 that will control things. Changes to the EFL will happen! It's a matter of time.
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The parachute payments only exist because the way the voting worked the original plan of the PL couldn't go through without giving them that and it's massively unfair on the rest of the EFL. Teams shouldn't be being run with the sole intention of trying to hold on while banking the large riches and then still banking the riches when they go down. They should be wanting to actually try and improve and win things but it doesn't make sense in the current setup. Sure this does see a move to give 8 clubs who have proven long-term PL pedigree (and then Man City) more power but it also makes the whole setup and the distribution of money much fairer. There will be less need for clubs to look to get into this cycle as it will be a smoother transition moneywise and you will see a fairer more competitive setup across the board.
To highlight the way these 'yoyo' clubs have been looking after themselves look at the whole PPV thing. By all accounts, there were two groups, 8 headed by Ed Woodward who wanted it to be between £5-10 and free access to season ticket holders, and then 12 'smaller' clubs who were calling for north of £15 and no free access to ST holders. No side had the votes to get what they wanted and it ended up with the smaller clubs looking for the biggest cash grab ended up winning out as all the Premier League clubs needed to replace some of the matchday income they are losing (and the threat of the TV money that may be held back) so that's how we got what we didStop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand... -
Sounds like Rupp is going to have to put his hand in his pocket to just keep us afloat. Let's hope his heart is in it.
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On West Brom it's good that they are investing in their training setup. As I've said I would have actually liked the infrastructure part of this to include the coaching and medical/sports science side and not just the grounds as especially in League 1 and 2 that's an area that's really lacking but it's not really showing any Ambition by West Brom to do anything but keep yoyoing. Their squad investment has a real feel of 'We will be back in the Championship next year so here are players that either will do a great job there or we will almost certainly be able to sell on for significantly more'. The best they could hope for was copying Sheffield United and hope they have a style that catches people out and gets them a second season but as we are seeing from Sheffield at the end of last season and now this season when teams learn to deal with them they haven't invested in enough PL quality players to keep it up and look like its going to be a real battle for them to stay out of the relegation fight. Them and Fulham were favourites to go down as soon as they got promoted and their business hasn't changed that, unlike Leeds who seem like they have invested with the view of staying in the PL for the long runStop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
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