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Michael Flynn

Discussion in 'Where are they now' started by trevor, Feb 17, 2019.

  1. NorthernMonkey

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    The club did have budgets in the top 4 of league one twice. Evans might not have been there for the second one though so yep, made a mistake there.
     
  2. JonButterfield

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    I don't understand how people can't see or remember how bad things were!

    We organised a flyover things were so bad, people boycotted games, there was talk of a billboard, marches, etc etc, but now that's dealt with Hopkin is being blamed for not turning it round even though we have indeed improved and no longer lose every game?

    It WAS that bad, we have no right to recover.
     
  3. marshy77

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    We've improved?
     
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  4. JonButterfield

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    Take a look at our results up to mid-November.

    Look at the results since.

    Its night and day; not even close. Nothing like.
     
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  5. marshy77

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    What about our league position?
     
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  6. JonButterfield

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    Does our league position mean we haven't won any games since mid-November?

    If not, your point must be 'well we've clearly improved, but not dramatically' - do you really hold that against Hopkin? Dramatic change?
     
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    Here is the league table after we had lost to Portsmouth on Nov 3. 7 points from safety and really 8 due to goal difference. Yet after 23 games -just 6 games later-at the half way stage we clawed it back and were out of the bottom four. Results since have been inconsistent but we have taken 23 points from the last 16 games.
     
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  8. marshy77

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    The league doesn't lie.

    I blame the really poor tactics, substitutions, signings, constant changes in team selection and lack of options down to Hopkin which reflects on our league position which reflects the way we play. Yes we've won games and went on a good run in Dec/Jan but we are really poor to watch at times and have very little to shout about.
     
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  9. marshy77

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    Moved up a place.
     
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    No manager is perfect, and all those things are standard. You won't find a manager at this level who doesnt tick those rather basic boxes.

    The real issues, for me, all stem back to last January before being compounded in June and July.

    The damage to our club was critical, and the mess left virtually unsalvagable.

    If Hopkin doesn't salvage this situation, then he had merely met my personal expectations.
     
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    Personally I thought he would make a bigger difference earlier. I know the Jan window is not the best or easiest of times to get players in but I thought he messed up big time by not getting players in early and not getting 1st team players.

    I do agree it will not have been easy when he was appointed but I still think he has had enough opportunities to turn it around. He has the tools and has been able to try sort his backroom staff out. Points wise we've improved but we are still in a relegation battle. His impact hasn't been as good imo as it should have been and for that he only has himself to blame.
     
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  12. Bronco

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    That's convinced me get Hopkin out and Evans in ;).
     
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    And pulled back 8 points that we were adrift.
     
  14. Damo

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    Nathan Jones said similar things at Luton
     
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    But have a fair few games in hand which if won takes them just outside the playoffs
     
  16. Damo

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    Jan and Feb hasn’t been great. We had a purple December
     
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  17. Rogered Tart

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    We weren’t 8 points adrift when HopkinS took over, plymouth were bottom with three points. Hopkin has only clawed back points that his management dropped in the first place. He has acquired 27 points in 26 games. All depends how you want to spin it? Even with the good results in December we’re currently picking up a point a game under his leadership.
     
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    well I'll be honest, and I'm under no illusions just how bad things had gotten, I joint founded a protest group ffs, but I expected Hopkin to do better after Edin had left. we had an initial bounce in that period where we scored a lot of goals and got decent wins, but we've absolutely regressed since then, and we've looked poor again.

    im on the fence but erring towards the side of he should be doing a little better.
     
  19. Rogered Tart

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    HopkinS first 10 games yielded just 4 points just to give some context. I get that it was a hard job to come into but i would have expected better than that.
     
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    spot on. Comments about accumulating a midtable points total over the last 10-12 games would hold far more value if we actually looked like a solid mid table team.

    Any stats in our favour are centred around a phenomenal December which we haven't come close to replicating since and probably never will.
     
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