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McCall IN/OUT (with new Poll)

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Rcbantam, Sep 15, 2020.

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McCall - Should he stay or should he go now?

Poll closed Dec 13, 2020.
  1. Stay

    50 vote(s)
    25.0%
  2. Go

    128 vote(s)
    64.0%
  3. Uncertain

    22 vote(s)
    11.0%
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  1. Bantamsteve

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    Who would you get in
    Would the new CEO see him as part of the long term plan
    Can't replace Stuart without input from any new CEO until this is sorted avoiding relegation is all we can hope for unless Mr Rhodes gives. a new manager a 2 year deal and we then have to pay him off
    Stranger things have happened I know
    but for once let's look for a bit of longer term stability
     
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  2. Fordy117

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    I've been calling for Rhodes to leave for years now. He is a massive problem for this football club but this thread is about McCall and as a manger McCall just isn't good enough.

    We need a manager that will have a plan, a vision and want not scared to tell Rhodes and Rupp whats required.

    I agree with your post Rhodes, Sparks, Rupps are huge problems for this club...Huge! All need to go barring Sparks maybe but changes need to be made but McCall is the easiest change to make.
     
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  3. Bronco

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    You cant be serious, the decline at both clubs had set in well before McCall took over, in fact the rot set in at Valley Parade when Rahic sacked McCall, since the 5 February 2018 the club has regressed have you forgot the sucsess Grayson, Collins, Hopkin and Bowyer all brought to the club before McCall came back.this post should be in the joke thread.
     
  4. Fordy117

    Fordy117 Just call me Mr Flip-Flop!
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    Sorry mate this new CEO thing is bollocks. First of all we don't know when a CEO will be appointed but more importantly football is a results business. We are 19th..19th! Let that sink in! He has a worse record than Bowyer!
    We can't just wait around. Get rid of McCall and get a manager in now.

    We are in massive danger of going down under McCall. He isn't good enough.
     
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  5. Bronco

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    Maybe that's a good reason why we haven't paid compo since ;).
     
  6. Bantamsteve

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    Exactly the priority is to get the new CEO in place
    What calibre of manager can we hope to attract when the guy doing the interview is leaving and uncertainty about any new managers future hangs in the balance
    No one worth his salt will take the job under those conditions
    It needs to be announced NOW the new man yes Stuart is failing but not as much as R&R
     
  7. Fordy117

    Fordy117 Just call me Mr Flip-Flop!
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    Mate to be fair to Rhodes or any CEO he isn't getting judged on the results on the pitch. Rhodes isn't the manager. We can't have a results business not judged on results that's madness.

    What if the CEO turns out to be Sparks? Then what? What do you say to that?

    McCall needs to go and go now. The CEO issue will hopefully sort itself out.
     
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  8. Inspector

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    That's the problem. Every manager will come in with a plan but we as a club don't have one. Bowyer had a plan and was backed very well. Just over a year later and he's down the road. No more managerial merry-go-rounds for me until the club announce the new CEO and hopefully owner.
     
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  9. bailiff bridge bantam

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    Think we might be waiting for a new owner for a while unless he’s prepared to lower his supposed asking price.A new CEO quick is an absolute must or this is only going one way.
     
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  10. Biker

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    I think the main problems are at the top and until that is addressed there is little point getting someone new in. Rhodes can’t be trusted to run a successful football club, he is not the charismatic astute energetic type, just a plodder.

    I’m more keen to see Rhodes and Rupp out the door first and get a fresh approach and ideas at the top.

    Thoroughly depressing how rubbish we are.
     
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  11. Bantamsteve

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    Come on Fordy the CEO appoints the manager he/she is ultimately responsible for what happens at the club as it stands would you trust Mr Rhodes to bring a new manager in he has less success at that than Stuart has as amanager
    In answer to your question about Mr Sparks am hoping Mr Rupp has learnt enough to realise that a rookie appointment would not be in the interest of the club
    As you should know a good business starts with good leadership from the top not half way down the ladder
     
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    Trouble with that Fordy is ambitious managers being
    successful where they are, won't come "DOWN" the ladder
    to work for us unless we offered daft money in wages.
    We don't have the money to compensate the club he's
    at never mind daft wages and a budget to get him started!

    This football club has NEVER been run as well as it could of been.
    Look back to it's inception and work forward.One thing the club
    has never had is owners who had vision and a plan to move us
    up in stature.In 63 years I've supported City,it's ever been so.

    The longer we go as we are the more likely we will fall into the abyss
    of non league.Attracting players will become harder as people will
    see what's happening here and won't want to be a part of it.

    Roy McFarland,Trevor Cherry,Terry Dolan and Parky are the only
    managers I can think of that made me think things could change
    in a more sustained way but all went for one reason or another
    and normal mediocrity resumed.
     
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  13. Parader

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    This is the unfortunate truth about McCall as a manager, the three good seasons he has had were on the back of inheriting decent teams, and maybe more importantly good cultures, when taking over from Craig Brown at Motherwell and Parkinson at City, neither who had been sacked and were "poached" by other clubs because of that good work.

    I'm not one for chopping a changing managers, but there is no point sticking with a manager who does not have the required qualities, and McCall does not have them for the situation we are in. You've got to have a good eye for recruitment and contacts to open doors, unfortunately his recruitment is lazy and unimaginative. You have to be able to develop players individually, the only example that ever gets quoted for him here is Mark Marshall - one player in years, and to be honest his improvement was probably just as much because we played a more suitable style than anything else - he still left on a free at the end of that season. Most importantly of all you have to have the right character and culture, as I said above McCall has done OK when he has inherited that, but he's never been able to instil it - he and his teams have a track record of folding like a pack of cards when the chips are down.

    There's no point making a change with a new CEO allegedly on the way, and that's another reason why the CEO appointment is so important, but it fills me with dread that Rhodes has been responsible for it. Baldwin and Mason both did well at City working with/under Rhodes - but I believe they both approached the club rather than the other way round? The only other people brought in on Rhodes' watch for this kind of role were Peter Etherington and Archie Christie, both of which were shambolic.
     
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  14. Idlebantam

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    You are right. City were 8th when McCall took over, 9 months later we are 19th and no sign of him being able to address the alarming slide.

    McCall said last night to judge his team at the end of the season, not now. Sorry, but we cannot afford to do that, we might be a Non league side then
     
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  15. Loyalbantam

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    McCall was dining out on Phil Parkinson’s squad.
    As soon as that squad started to diminish our fortunes changed.
     
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  16. Loyalbantam

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    For 3 seasons now, the recruitment has been poor. Replacing good players with inferior ones is only likely to push the club in the wrong direction.

    examples.
    James Meredith to Adam Chicksen
    Kyel Reid to Mark Marshall then to Jordan Gibson
    James Hanson to Charlie Wyke to Kai Brunker.
    Josh Cullen to Jake Reeves
    Colin Doyle to Richard O Donkey
    Rory McArdle to Kelvin Mellor
    Matt Killgallon to Anthony O Donkey

    the list goes on and on and we sit 5 points off non league football.
     
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  17. Rogered Tart

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    Can't have some of them, Marshall had a better season than any Reid had, Charlie Wyke did alright for us and O'Donnell is no worse than Doyle. Give you the others although Mellor wasn't really a McArdle replacement.
     
  18. How

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    Said it before but McCall worries me when he says this squad is still aiming for the play offs. We haven’t a cat in hells chances.

    The worry is he is too open in games and isn’t playing the right players or system to grind out results to get us enough points on board to keep our heads above water. We need to be solid at the back, get in the oppositions faces, get goals from set pieces and generally drag ourselves out of it. We are nearly at Xmas and we are destined for a relegation dogfight at this rate. I don’t think McCall has the know how to turn it around. Or the realism. We must be hard to beat first and then add some flair when we can defend. Every game our midfield looks paper thin and it’s too easy to get at our back four/five.

    unless McCall realises this we will continue to lose games by a few goals to the better sides in the division. We might pick up points from some teams around us but I don’t think it will be enough. How long do we give McCall? It’s not getting any better and you can’t say “we only need a target man” for example. We need 3 or 4 across the park and McCall said Samuels was our final piece? It’s baffling.
     
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  19. Loyalbantam

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    Agreed that Reid and Marshall were much of a muchness but my point being we ended up with Gibson.
    Hanson and Wyke very similar and we ended up with Brunker and Poleon and now to Donaldson / Clarke which on paper should be and upgrade but proving not to be.
     
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    Oh i agree with your overall point, our recruitment over the past three or four years has been woeful to where we are now.
     
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