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Match Thread Mansfield Town (H) @ 15:00 26 Feb

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by JonButterfield, Feb 23, 2022.

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  1. Bigrod

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    To be fair to Sparks, when he took the post over, he gave Stuart a fresh contract extension. A lot on here have a sentimental attachment to Stuart, and for me he is my all time favourite City player. Despite that boost, McCall couldn’t turn it round.

    Sparks then sacked Stuart several weeks later. Again many felt that it was the right thing to do.
    Rather than appoint a permanent replacement, Sparks promoted Trueman & Sellars again this was viewed as a pragmatic move and many were in favour. The initial good start wasn’t sustained and City (Sparks), lined up a ‘proven’ manager at this level.

    Again Adams was a very popular choice. Ask @Storck@Storck he has the full list of over 100 who voted in favour of Adams.

    Adams was given support in recruiting his players. I am not aware that Sparks has brought in players against the wishes of Adams, possibly Hendrie right at the end, was not an Adams signing, but that is a hunch. Adams was instrumental in the removal of Turnbull and replaced him with his Scouts. Again as far as I am aware, Sparks seems to have been guided by the person ‘who knew football’, in this instant Adams.

    Sparks has been instrumental in the sacking of Adams, despite Derek’s bluster on the radio.
    Having removed Adams, much to my surprise, he has got Hughes in as manager. Again the mood is positive in most posts. Yes there is some balance, looking at previous high profile appointments, which have not ended up with glowing success. However I guess most of us will support Hughes (what is the alternative other than ‘packing it all in’), again I am pragmatic and realise he has been dealt with the cards he has got, so think we cannot really judge his progress until the end of November at the very earliest.

    I struggle to point any objective criticism on Sparks. I think he has on the whole acted in a reasonable manner. It was Adams who was the ‘expert’ and signed the vast majority of these players, set up the formation, ran the training and ultimately served up a dour, miserable and failing product.
     
  2. JonButterfield

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    A very positive write up @Bigrod@Bigrod !

    The issue with Sparks hasn't been the support he's given his managers - he's tried his best. He supported Stuart when he was weakest, although the contract extension had no effect, I suppose it's still a 'vote of confidence' so to speak. He gave Trueman and Sellars a very fair crack of the whip, although their success was relatively short-lived. He supported Adams and let him bring changes. He's undoubtedly going to do what he can to support Hughes, too, I don't think there's much question about that.

    The criticisms are all around Sparks' decisions, which point to a lack of expertise and experience (the latter of which is beyond doubt).

    The end of Stuart's reign was confused, and the start of several 'interesting' contractual decisions - giving T&S 18 months, but ending their reign within 3 months total - hunting down Adams and giving him three years, but ending his reign within 7 months - giving James Vaughan a 3 year deal as club captain, but then sending him off on loan - replacing managers, like clockwork, every February or a few weeks after a transfer window has closed, the worst POSSIBLE time.

    All of this is avoidable, although some will argue the circumstances each time pressed Sparks into action. It's his job to be stronger than that, though, and not to bow to the first sign of pressure, or to help people work through that pressure, so that our timelines are better suited to our search for success, not detrimental to it every single time.

    Knowing what we want to do, also, is Sparks' job.

    Talking about the importance of academy prospects, then hiring Adams makes no sense.
    Following McCall/T&S with Adams from a tactical stand point makes no sense.
    Endlessly hiring aging players (and most recently, an aging manager?) on reputation alone makes no sense.
    Letting players like Canavan go because they've fallen out with Adams, then sacking Adams weeks later, leaving us with no defence and a pissed off squad (according to Wetherby Whaler) makes no sense.

    Indeed all of Ryan Sparks' decisions have looked either reactionary, or downright cynical.

    Appointing Adams and declaring this a promotion season has turned out to be an utter disaster.
    Good for tickets, sound commercially in the short term, but otherwise terrible.
    Some have remarked already that the hiring of an out-of-work Mark Hughes who has never managed at anything like this level seems like another solid marketing move, but we'll see how that plays out.

    Ryan has done nothing to stop the revolving door policy of hiring and firing managers AND players. He talks about stability, but nowhere in the club is there the first sign of any stability. He talks about a lot of things, matter of fact, but without ever implementing any of it. He talks now of backing Hughes with anything he needs to succeed, and you know what, that's POTENTIALLY believable, especially as Hughes says he spoke to Rupp directly before taking the job.

    But in what way can Sparks possibly assist Hughes beyond saying 'yes' to his requests, much like he did with Adams, none of which were worthwhile?

    What does Ryan Sparks actually BRING to the table, from a footballing perspective, rather than a commercial one?

    Time to show us. That time is now.
     
  3. Bigrod

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    But who was Sparks supposed to appoint, when he went with Adams? As I said over 100 voted for Adams. On the surface he seemed a very sensible appointment, with his ‘pedigree’ of promotions which suggested that he was a very good prospect.

    Who would you have appointed and crucially why?

    In respect of hiring players, as I said, then apart from perhaps the Hendrie signing, then I strongly suspect the players have been identified by the Head of Recruitment (Turnbull), the Scouts, and Adams.

    Should Ryan have a policy of not signing players over the age of 30, or at the very least a quota? Could he then be accused of meddling in team affairs?

    My view is that reasonable attempts have been made to get Managers and footballers into place to make progress. They are the ones that have failed.
     
  4. Park bantam

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    Can he play Saturday
     
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    I'm sorry Rod I can't agree with your last paragraph. For me the managers and players have been hung out to dry by a club with no plan or strategy from either the owner or CEOs for years now. To me it's an easy cop out to blame the players when the infrastructure in place for those players has been nothing short of pathetic. Above all what I'm hoping from Hughes appointment is that for the first time in as long as I can remember this club actually starts getting run like a professional sporting outfit and not the utter shambles it has come to be known for.
    I won't hold my breath thouhh

    Rupp out.
     
  6. bantamdave41

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    Lot of short term memory issues today.
     
  7. JonButterfield

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    End of the day, we knew what we were getting with Adams.

    We knew we would get negative, defensive-first football. We knew that. We knew we would get one up top, we knew it. Sparks personally must have known he had no interest in youth players, and he probably made that decision when he made promotion the absolute priority over everything else.

    Sparks decided to hire him knowing all that, and sacrificed his (and the club's) principles in doing so. It had to work. So what did we sack him in February for? We've literally rewritten the club's principles and identity for this guy, but he's sacked when we're 12th because the team got booed three times? Eh?

    There were plenty of people surprised when Adams went, and conspiracy theories popped up straight away that, oh well, he must have wanted to be sacked. Convenient, but no. Not buying that.

    As for recruitment, what a mess - Turnbull is here, the new Head of Recruitment, then he's gone - Adams is openly furious about the level of recruitment when bringing in players like Robinson, but don't worry, we'll solve that problem. Then comes January, and we've not solved that problem at all. We bring in a bunch of loans, and Hendrie.

    Should Sparks give a quota of the number of veteran players? Well, why not? Would that be classed as interfering? Of course it would. But that's what a Director of Football would be doing. Asking questions, why are we bringing this player in, what does this do for the club going forward? Why are we selling Canavan, how does that stand us in good stead, I don't care that you've fallen out with him, this is about the club not you, Derek.

    The club don't think we need a DoF, evidently, so that means that responsibility lies with Ryan. So let's see it. Let's see him take the lead on recruitment, let's see him planning for the next manager long before he sacks the current one, OR, let's see him stick with the personnel we've got.

    But I'll ask the question again: what is he bringing to the club to augment the manager (whoever it is) from a footballing standpoint? If the answer is nothing, or very little, then that's why I'd argue we need a DoF - because Sparks simply can't, and doesn't, fulfil such a vital role.
     
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  8. Bantam75

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    I do agree with what you’re saying. As much as i’ve criticised Sparks over the last few months, Im not gonna act like I was against the changes he made to the managerial situation at the club. At the Time, T&S deserved a contract but we quickly realised it wasn’t going to work out. I don’t believe I voted for Adams but it made sense on paper for him to be appointed and shortly later, be sacked. The one thing he can be critiqued for in this regard is timing. As many have said here, sacking in February is naive at best, an we’ve done it about 3 times now

    My main issue with Sparks is the fact that he’s effectively running the club but hasn’t shown the skill set to do so. Transfers has been a big thing. Now as much as the managers may take the fall for the signings, Im certain that Sparks has some role to play in it. He’s been the only piece of the jigsaw that’s overseen all this managerial changes yet we’ve constantly seen the same mistakes being made.

    Signing old players, Signing players with Injury records, Signing duds, Signing players who aren’t what we need. Basically, going down the cheap route or alternatively, paying players over the odds. Isn’t Evans one of our highest earners? Im sure I read somewhere that Gilliead is on 3k a week. It doesn’t take a genius to realise that certain players should be avoided. So much as a simple Search on Wikipedia would show that Threlkeld is not a right back and that Robinson has never been prolific anywhere hes gone. Its all down to the transfer structure. He did bring in someone; forgotten his name, got shot of him later because Adams said so. In regards to the signing duds part, rather than providing the funds for 2-3 shit strikers, how about providing a bit more, and pooling those resources for a good one. would of made the world of difference.

    If Sparks wanted to make his life easier, he should of got himself a DOF. Someone who knows football. Otherwise you’re shooting yourself in the foot if this is your first big gig. Im all for Managers having a big say in the the club operates, Parky did it just fine, But only when they aren’t the sole voice of the football side of things. Parky had Baldwin, a man who has a vast knowledge of the game. Sparks is good at the financial side of things, good, he should stick to that, but at least bring in someone who knows what is needed for the club to actually succeed on the pitch. someone who will actually stay longer than a managers as managers live a very short life these days.
     
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  9. Park bantam

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    There are many failures with DOFs as well as successes it’s not a panacea there can be differences that crop up and arguments about decisions. Yes getting Adams in meant ditching Turnbull which I didn’t like but the only priority at the moment is not future plans but getting out of this league and I along with the majority of the fan base if they are honest thought was our best option for doing that and I don’t think Sparks who has only been in the job a year should be taking the flak he has for his appointment
     
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  10. JonButterfield

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    Correct, DOF's aren't a panacea, they're not some magical fix-all, you do of course have to get in the right man. Those people are available, though, and one is Jewell. He's done it elsewhere and they got a promotion, so he's immediately 1up on Ryan. Why not let them work together?

    I'm also not sure I agree that promotion at all costs is the right way to go. Jewell's recent article on the T&A highlighted how short-termist we've become, how we don't have a long-term plan, we don't have an identity, we don't know what we're getting from one manager to the next.

    I wouldn't say desperately trying to find a manager to do everything and get us promoted is more important than being clear about what this football club is all about.

    You and I should know what kind of football Bradford City play REGARDLESS of who's in charge.

    We don't.

    And that's one of the main reasons we've been unsuccessful in achieving promotion over all else.

    It's a Catch-22, Park, and it's entirely of our own making.
     
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  11. Bantam 760

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    I also agree with most it except Beagrie was the best player ever;)
     
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  12. Bantam75

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    Back to the topic at hand, What do we all think of how Hughes will shape this team up against Mansfield?

    I’d like to hope that Harrogate was Songo’s final stint at CB. I don’t trust him there, he may find himself in good positions to cover but he fecks up every single clearance he gets on the end of

    Im gonna go with a 4-4-2

    Bass
    Hendrie FCD Paudie Foulds
    Gillead Songo Watt Sutton
    Cook Robinson

    (Feck me, that’s a poor lineup)

    But it’s what we’ve got

    I don’t imagine Ridehalgh, Vernam or Walker will be back for this game unless I'm mistaken?
     
  13. JudgeMental

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    Tell you what, let's have a competition to see who can write the longest post without mentioning Mansfield.
     
  14. Onside

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    10 minutes if he can manage it
     
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  15. JonButterfield

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    Hughes is a 4-4-****ing-2 manager (some on here call it dinosaur tactics), so you might not be far off.

    Can't see him starting FCD, but who knows? Much rather see that than Songo'o starting in defence. Just think Trueman might advise him to stick with Yan at the back.

    Very possible line up.

    Hughes is going to find out the level of player he's working with pretty darn fast.
     
  16. Faithful Bantam

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    He was always a master at volleys.

    The trick with great players who manage at low levels, is fully understanding the technical limitations of the players they have. Sparky can step up an leather one like that in training, despite being nearly 60. None of his strikers can do that. Some of them can barely control a football.
     
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    :snigger::snigger::snigger::snigger:
    It is very skilful and you either have it or you don’t. You also never lose your skills which were given to you at birth. Yes you have to work hard. You lose pace but if you look after yourself the skills stay with you. I think you are right but he is experienced enough to know that playing at this level you are unlikely to be highly skilled. Plus he has also kept his good looks:snigger:
     
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    I'm from Mansfield. You know I'm not posh.

    Chapati it is ;)
     
  19. HUDDERSSBANTAM

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    Today's events bad news for you Staggo?

    VP will be rocking on Saturday.
     
  20. Bronco

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    When you go to your seat mate let on to the old lad to your right :thumbup:.
     
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