M606 crash

After reading this thread spent some time on the T&A reading... Then stupidly on Facebook. Theres people sticking up for the lads that stole the van. Bradford really does have its share of nobheads. Really sad for both lads in the taxi that have had their lives stollen for no reason.

There are plenty of ways to show how upset you are at society without stealing a van and killing people.

 

I've watched the two episodes of Bradford on Duty and I'm more than suprised with regards the people on the front line speaking openly about the situation in Bradford especially the police, breaking into the mill finding the cannabis farm and pointing out they can buy the electrical components from that shop, the pots and compost from that shop and buy the actual seeds from that shop all within walking distance from the mill where the cannabis farm was found goes without saying where abouts they we in Bradford.
Just the usual party line from our councilors etc.
Unfortunatly @ConnecticutBantam it's not the City it once was, I'm sure that can be said of many Town and Citys around the UK.

 

Country was done for about 20 years ago the seeds was set. I’m not a conspiracy theorist but it all seems to have been done on purpose.

 

Sentenced today.

3 people dead and this 16 year old will be free before he is 20.

Absolute joke of a sentence.

 

Jesus H. I remember thinking at the time he’d probably get a short sentence because of his age, but come on. I can’t believe that.

 

Unfortunately on release going straight back into what he did before. This lad was a walking timebomb, no role model from an early age and surrounded by crime as though it was the norm. There are thousands of kids just like him that are brought up knowing nothing but a life tagged to criminality. I know how and why he had the skills to steal a vehicle and why that wasn't wrong to him. We as a society have gone soft on crime, that we pass the blame to others, this in turn has created a generation of youth who clearly have no respect for anyone or anything. And when we have liars and criminals in the top echelons on society what hope is there at the bottom when crime is gloryfied to a point where it does actually pay?

 

I disagree in some ways Rog. If tough on crime works, why did we still have criminals when our laws were tougher? (capital punishment etc). And also, thanks to advances in technology for one, I would argue it's actually a lot harder to get away with crimes in general than it has been in the past. Thirdly, there is almost no evidence that a draconian penal code reduces reoffending rates or crime in general, it's largely tied to rehabilitation from the evidence I have seen when I've looked into it.

 

All fair comments.

 

I think it's very easy to get sucked into the lock em up and throw away the key mentality when that's largely been shown to have been incredibly ineffective at reducing/preventing crime. Ultimately, we invest very little in people in this country and that's even before people go through the prison system. Until that changes, in my opinion we will continue to create large sections of people displaying nihilistic behaviour who feel they have no stake in being a productive member of society.

 

When we had capital punishment murder was quite rare. Now it's almost a daily crime with hundreds in London alone. The simple fact is that if repeat offenders are in jail they cannot commit further offences. The CPS has a lot to answer for reducing the charges to get easy convictions even if it means reduced sentences and threats to the public

 

We do invest in our children they got to school to be educated and learn life skills, unfortunately as @Rogered Tart says many kids have had no structured up bringing with regards a stable home, they see dad worse for wear with regards drink or drugs knocking their mother about not working and doing a bit on the side or maybe a bit of robbing to get bye.
Al and myself were talking after this incident happened and basically he said the young kid knew no different as that's the way he'd been brought up and saw life, even at the tender age of 16.

 

I think I've mentioned on a previous post on this subject that the lad never really stood a chance. I'm in no way condoning what he did but I do know the lads family background and that the father figures in his life have all been negative role models linked to crime. Believe it or not there are kids out there who have never been told what is morally right and wrong, what we find abhorrent is just the norm to them. Look, there has to be punishment in life for wrongdoings, taking the lives of two innocent people should only be punishable by a long custodial sentence. Got to remember to, crime keeps a lot of people in very good salaries as well. Only losers in all this are the victims unfortunately.

 

Reckon any fall in crime is simply that it doesn't get reported anymore.....

 

I think such as shoplifting is a good example of the non reporting of crime plus police tolerance of anti social behaviour with the likes of protest groups etc ..plus you wouldn't trouble your insurer for a crime number where minor damage or theft occurs and insurance excess payments apply..

 

Yeah I had a bit of insight myself into this through the job my old man does and similar was said. Which to me is why it's important to make sure things like youth intervention and outreach services are properly funded, alongside the education system. As it's many kids only positive role models or influence in their lives and the only chance they have. Obviously there has to be punishment, but if we dont use that time to at least to attempt to give people skills to better themselves, they definitely never will and will just spend that time becoming more skilled criminals. And punishment for the sake of it is pointless and a drain of taxpayer money in my own opinion.

Except that the education system and youth services haven't been properly invested in for years at this point, so kids who grow up in that environment are pretty much just on their own. Almost nobody would stand a chance growing up around that which again to me is why it is so vital to ensure we have proper outreach, social services etc that function correctly, as I said to Rog it is pretty much the only chance a lot of these young uns will have.

 

Under the last Labour government education was one of their top priorities if not top, I remember Tony Blair quoting education, education, education, the teachers in the school I worked at couldn't believe the money that was made available for their classes, society hasn't gone down hill since those days.
Unfortunately with regards parenting there is less discipline, parents taking less reasonability for their children, I couldn't believe when parents were invited into school to discuss their child many were not prepared to take any reasonability saying its not my child, I saw what their children got up to but for obvious reasons I couldn't get involved.