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Legal-Charging-Police Bail-Under Investigation

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Petrov, Jul 28, 2019.

  1. Petrov

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    The matter is in the hands of the CPS, what exactly is it you think the club can say at this moment in time that would stop a handful of idiots from singing silly songs?
     
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  2. Fordy117

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    Explained above
     
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  3. Storck

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    So you want the club to put out another statement exactly the same as the last one explaining that he is suspended pending the outcome of the investigation?
     
  4. Fordy117

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    I don't know what's hapoening.

    Do you? Tell me.
     
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    The point is that the club almost certainly don't know what's happening either.
    He's being investigated for a possible criminal act. Only the police and the CPS know whether that is likely to lead to an actual charge and, for reasons of confidentiality, they aren't saying.
    So the situation remains exactly as it has done for the last year. So what can the club make a statement about that would add anything useful to what we already know?
     
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  6. BoingBoing

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    But do you know for sure that it is with the CPS? As far as I know, if evidence is presented to the CPS and is insufficient to charge, they won’t take it any further until they are confident that a conviction can be secured. If there is sufficient evidence, he would have been charged already.

    I know of no other case where a person gets arrested, and no charges are brought some 12mths later.
     
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  7. Onside

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    I think there are limits on how long an ongoing investigation can take place between arrest and charging, but no idea what are the time limits.
     
  8. Allotment Bantam

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    There are over 1,000 in West Yorkshire alone.
    https://www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/news/crime/more-than-1-000-suspects-waiting-over-a-year-for-west-yorkshire-police-to-finish-their-cases-1-9890550
     
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  9. Storck

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    There are time limits if he is on bail, but if he released under investigation (RUI) then there are absolutely no limits
     
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  11. Onside

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    Thank you AB, I wasn’t aware the law had changed on this. A law that was intended to speed things up, has had the opposite effect. Laws made without backing them up with resources is pointless.

    This in my view is a serious infringement of your human rights, and no doubt will be challenged in the courts.
     
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  12. Storck

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    The law was brought in at the pushing of defence solicitors, they just didn’t want people on bail, which is what they have got
     
  13. Dratsab taf

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    Say for instance charges were dropped, surely he/we are able to gain recompense for wages/monies lost. Who would be liable, the police or the claimant.

    Surely there is someone who would have to pay up, he has either been funding himself for a year or we have being paying him regardless
     
  14. Onside

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    This discussion has been going on under the wrong thread.

    @Dratsab taf@Dratsab taf when you are ‘under investigation’ you are in my view ‘cut adrift’ from the legal system. If he had been charged, he would be before the courts and under regular review, and the judge would try and make sure there was appropriate progress. If he was on Police bail, they would have to charge within 28 days or finish the investigation. Unfortunately, the Police and associated back up services, like digital analysis is massively underfunded and therefore in trying to continue to bring justice to victims they are having to resort to putting people under investigation where there is no outside monitoring. I am very surprised this has not been challenged in court.

    Apparently the law was changed in trying to speed up the process it has made matters worse. How, a legislator can bring a law in to speed up the process and systematically cut resources to Police and Justice system is beyond me.
     
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  15. Storck

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    No, unless he can show that there was a malicious angle to it. Plus has he lost any wages?
     
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    I don't know, but if he hasn't lost any wages then we have been lumbered with paying him for over a year whilst he is unavailable. How's that either fair or work. Would we have some form of insurance that covers stuff like this. He probably won't be on much but say it was a n other on for example 5k a week, we'd be effectively quarter million out of pocket
     
  17. Storck

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    As far as we are aware it is the club's decision to suspend him, so therefore they foot the bill. Sunderland allowed their player to play right up to the weekend before his conviction.
     
  18. Carts #CTID

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    Robinson’s Instagram gives the impression he’s received some bad news today.

    Could he have been charged?
     

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  19. Storck

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    Could be anything
     
  20. Carts #CTID

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    “A big time low” - must be pretty significant to make him lower than he already is.
     
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