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Israel and Middle East

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Zonnebloem, Oct 1, 2024.

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  1. Zonnebloem

    Zonnebloem Fringe Player

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    Oh dear! Iran launches a series of missiles against Israel. This is a very dangerous escalation after a series of increasing tit-for-tat measures.

    Who will now side with whom?
     
    #1 Zonnebloem, Oct 1, 2024
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  2. Faithful Bantam

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    This is going to get very, very bad. The US could easily get drawn in, then China and/or Russia may do the same.

    We could literally be on the eve of a major, multi national conflict or even WW3.
     
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  3. bantam65

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    Where the Yanks go..... Ultimately we follow.
    What a scary prospect the whole scenario is!
     
    #3 bantam65, Oct 1, 2024
  4. Idlebantam

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    I don't think it will escalate to the extent that China, Russia and US get involved, other than diplomatically.
     
    #4 Idlebantam, Oct 1, 2024
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  5. Faithful Bantam

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    I'm sure I've read that the US has deployed several thousand more troops to the Middle East in a show of support for Israel.
     
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    #5 Faithful Bantam, Oct 1, 2024
  6. Frank Castle

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    How is what Isreal is doing any different to what Russia is? The double standards and hypocrisy is astounding.

    Be careful though, any criticism of Netanyahu or Isreal will probably result in someone calling you an anti-semite.
     
    #6 Frank Castle, Oct 1, 2024
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  7. SimonW

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    It really isn't and what we are seeing has always been the end goal of the Zionist manifesto. Dating back to the mid 1800's they have always had this vision of a home for those they consider 'Pure Jews' (The likes of the Somali Jews In Isreal often face persecution from the Jews of European decent, Spitting at them is the go to action as they aren't seen as being pure enough) that wasn't just restricted to Palestine but all the land that is promised to Abraham in both the Torah and the Old Testament.

    Genesis says the following

    On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the Wadi of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates – the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites."
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    While there is a dispute on where some of these actually refer to it covers Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan, much of Syria, much of Iraq and parts of Turkey and Egypt. And some references and interpretations also bring parts of Saudi Arabia, All of Kuwait and parts of Iran into the mix.

    They were never going to be happy with the limited land the UN gave them after Zionist terrorism against the UK saw us give up the mandate and let the UN deal with it.
     
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    #7 SimonW, Oct 1, 2024
  8. Zonnebloem

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    I don't think anybody on here so far has defended Israel's stance or actions. It's just a matter of pointing out how dangerous this escalation is.

    My guess is that Wolodimyr Zelenzkyy is cursing this deflection of the world's attention away from Ukraine.

    Thank you Simon W for a more historical analysis.

    PS: it's another discussion about how religious writings have not helped world peace.
     
    #8 Zonnebloem, Oct 1, 2024
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  9. Tony Wilkinson

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    Exactly, it's going to take another two thousand years , at least, before civilisation realises that all religions are fake ...
     
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    #9 Tony Wilkinson, Oct 1, 2024
  10. Idlebantam

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    Israel have been responding to a sickening invasion and attack on civilians on Oct 7th last year by targeting terrorists and warlords and successfully taking out some evil people in the process..

    Russia invaded another country for territorial reasons.

    Massive difference in my opinion.

    I would hope if terrorists wiped out hundreds of festival goers at Glastonbury that we would have the balls to inflict revenge.
     
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  11. Idlebantam

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    I defend Israel's stance
     
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    We've had kick offs in the middle east back to 1948, we haven't had a serious ruck there for a while so probably was one due. It'll never change there, just the usual religious power struggle.
     
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  13. Zonnebloem

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    It might be worth looking a bit further back than October last year. The international community considers Israeli settlements in Gaza, the occupied West Bank and Golan Heights to be illegal. Since the 1967 six-day war, Israelis have been building and occupying housing developments in disputed territory - for territorial reasons. The US also used to deem these settlements illegal but Trump reversed this policy and moved the US embassy to Jerusalem.

    Similarities between Israel and Russia might be greater than at first appears.

    A 2-state solution whereby Israelis and Palestinians could live peacefully side-by-side is further away than ever. And now there is an Israeli threat to take out Iranian nuclear facilities, that have been developed since Trump withdrew from an agreement to limit this development.

    The problem is that Israel and several Arab states or groups just disagree, based largely on traditional religious beliefs and this is extremely dangerous for world peace.
     
    #13 Zonnebloem, Oct 2, 2024
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    Harsh take, but Jews and Muslims will never get on both hold too much belief in false idols. Leave them too it, I just hope the big countries don't do anything stupid and get properly dragged in. We can go back thousands of years to who deserves to be where, but ultimately if it was Jew on Jew or Muslim on Muslim there wouldn't be people flooding the streets in protest up in arms.
     
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  15. Idlebantam

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    Just watched the BBC2 programme, which was aired recently, called Surviving 7th October: We will dance again. It's a hard watch to be honest, it's film footage taken by the poor souls at the music festival and also footage taken by the truly evil Hamas terrorists filming themselves killing and kidnapping people as the events unfold that terrible day.

    Why is there so much evil in the world?

    It's truly heartbreaking and you can understand why Israel want revenge.
     
    #15 Idlebantam, Oct 2, 2024
  16. Frank Castle

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    That's a very over simplification and a very black and white view of both wars.

    Lets put it this way then. The number of civilians killed by Russia in their war with Ukraine is estimated to be just over 11,000. The number of civilians killed by Isreal is their war with Palestine stands at over 43,000, but you carry on believing this is just about Hamas and nothing about territory.
     
    #16 Frank Castle, Oct 2, 2024
  17. Idlebantam

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    Those 43000 people killed you mention, the numbers have never actually been verified by the way, would still be alive today if it wasn't for the horrific act of evil carried out on 7th October 2023 by Hamas.
     
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    Both the UN and WHO accept the numbers to be accurate, with 25,000 of those killed being women and children.

    Lets say a man walked into a house and killed another man's wife. The widower then decided to go to the killers street and kill every man, woman and child living in every house on that street in retaliation. Would you say that is a perfectly reasonable response? Would you blame the original killer for all those deaths that followed?
     
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  19. Zonnebloem

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    Don't just look AT 7 October 2023. Look BEFORE it and AFTER it. Think "why"?
     
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    So, are you saying the barbaric attack by Hamas on innocent young people partying at a music festival was justified then?
     
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