Get a Grip

No, don't really care about friendlies, unless we're getting hammered 7-2 at Harrogate or something ridiculous. We shouldn't be able to field an XI that gets beat THAT badly.

I personally haven't seen anyone blaming Collins for anything, but I haven't read all the pages re: the Harrogate game. I think some are annoyed the club didn't advertise this as an "XI" rather than a first team friendly - and on that note, how exactly has our first team (or the club in it's entirety) benefited from this game in terms of fitness or not getting injured? We actually suffered an injury, and we don't exactly need these lads fit for Shrewsbury since hopefully none of them will even make the bench.

 

From what MC has said, he was extremely disappointed with his team of players coasting through their careers thinking it's all easy peasy because City gave them stupid contracts they didn't earn and, after all, they're at a bigger club than they deserve to be at and they're getting paid more than they should be so who cares.

 

Edin has driven away SMc, SG and JM. Two of those were at their dream club. SG had the belief and the CV that he could be successful if he had been given the autonomy and the budget. Think about that. His statement declaring he was the man and we were lucky to have him was a clear statement to the owners to change their philosophy.

Why would the two who love the club leave unless they were driven out? The appointment of this coach is extremely left field. We hope that Edin has discovered a gem. A special one. I sincerely hope so but from what what we have seen we have to be sceptical. The pre season fixtures and results have been disappointing.

The signals from the club appear to be that Edin has changed his ambition from promotion this season to making a profit. Not what they promised. They were showboating and they loved it. The big I am. Their club their choice. No problem but let the fans know. Some of the recruitment gives us hope. Let the chosen one’s do their job. Am I hopeful? Not really. My hunch is he is still playing with his train set. Really hope I am wrong. Lessons learned, doubt it.

 

Pre-season fixtures are meaningless....but losing becomes a habit and if you’re getting hammered by non league clubs then alarm bells will naturally start ringing. Most clubs use friendlies against non league clubs to build morale and score a few goals then maybe lose against higher division clubs....we just lose to everybody. Harrogate should be pissed off that we didn’t take it seriously, I doubt we’ll be invited back

 

Well I couldn't give stuff who "doesn't give a stuff" about friendlies ? Reason would be that they generally know bugger all about the Game ?. What the hell were we doing yesterday turning up at Harrogate a fifth tier football club and taking the Mick out of them ? their support and our own support fielding a "scratch Xi" ? Totally disrespectful and unprofessional in my opinion.

Those who would say that they couldn't give a stuff ? Think about it for a minute....we are now 4 official friendlies in with Carlisle away left before we have to face Shrewsbury away in an official fixture. The record is
Farsley A Postponed
York A 0-1 L
Park Avenue A 2-1 W
Sheff U H L 2-3
Harrogate A L 2-7 !
Ok let's forget the results!,..but even then the organisation in these games has been shambolic ! . Are we anywhere near developing an understanding in the group so we know how we intend to set up at Shrewsbury ? What was needed yesterday was to 1. Respect Harrogate Town and put out a team that is pushing for starts v Shrewsbury. 2 Not disrespect Harrogate; their fans and our OWN FANS who took the time and trouble to travel; and pay to watch it. !

Then out comes a kids select ! + Patrick +Devine + Chicksen ? All three need a boot up the backside by the way and shouldn't be anywhere near the first XI at Shrewsbury after this debacle ?

I'm hearing Mikey C wasn't even there and again it was Abbott presiding over the latest complete shambles?. Why was MC not there ? Surely he's not so bloody clever as he can pick and choose which pre-season matches he needs to watch ? He should be there organising and managing the team. Moulding a game plan out of it and finding his best XI ?. Unforgivable that they take this game part of our pre season preparation with such disregard. That betrays them as not up to this job all three of them !

At this stage of preparation; regardless of whoever we have recruited; those players needed to be out there v Harrogate forming a bond and developing their understanding. Now we have one game left at Carlisle to come up with a plan for our first league game at Shrewsbury. What piss poor preparation this has been. Cannot think of a more *@?$ handed pre-season in many a long time.?

I blame Abbott and if he and The Cones are still running the show in October I wouldn't be suprised but we'll be mired in the "dogs doings" if they are! . You can sign your Jack Paynes and your Sean Scannells but if they haven't got a clue what you want them to do ? Then we are well and truly stuffed at Shrewsbury let me assure you !

 

We've been hammered once, and that was in game where other than Robinson , no first team starters featured. Yes, the youngsters confidence will have taken a battering and there are questions around why the management team felt fielding such an inexperienced team was a good idea. I doubt however that the result yesterday, as crushing as it will have been for those involved, will have impacted on the confidence of our first team players so let's not start ringing those alarm bells just yet.

In terms of the other pre season games, we've narrowly lost against two non league sides, won one and been beaten 3-2 by a championship side. No hammerings and in the game against Sheffield when we fielded the nearest to a starting eleven we have seen, we gave a very good account of ourselves against superior opposition.

I agree with you that winning pre season games can help to build a winning mentally but it can also have the opposite effect and make players feel over confident and that they are world beaters when all they have done is won a couple of games against teams that play 4 divisions below them. Or you get teams like Accrington yesterday beating boro 4-3. Brilliant result for them and the players will be buzzing but does anyone honestly think that result means Accrington will finish in the top half of the table?

 

Yes, Accrington will finish in the top half of the table. Sure as eggs are eggs they'll send us packing ..at Accy for sure and VP most likely ?!

 

Bloody hell petrov i agree with you.....

 

You know I'm right mate

 

I can only suspect MC was with the remaining members of the squad who didn’t feature, preparing them for the season in training. At least I’d hope this the case.

Not ignoring your other points, valid in their own way, however I won’t sleep over the result. However yes, disappointing from a squad POV and the lack of communication to supporters. Furthermore, having just had the Bradford PA gave the other night, why did we have this fixture which essentially from a squad properties is the same game with less an impact on the starting XI for the Shrews game.

In regards friendlies in general, I’ve been a little surprised over the lack of the more challenging fixtures. In fact I had to check the fixture list the other day to see if I was missing something??! That said, amongst all this new approach perhaps MC values time on the training pitch in his preparation rather than games. What I’m saying is, let’s wait and see how we get on when the real games start rather than speculating at this incredibly early stage.

 

Pre season is a team building exercise nothing more nothing less
A time to get the first team players L1 ready a time for all the new players to get to know
how each other plays in preparation for the "real thing" in two weeks time
So far we haven't a clue about what the team versus Shrewsbury will be
(neither have the players)
How many times on here have we seen "Just need a good pre season"
The scratch 11 fielded yesterday will be nowhere near the first team (I hope) so what was the point of yesterday apart from totally demoralizing our "bright young" hopefuls if it was an attempt to put put them in the "shop window" I think,we all agree it failed miserably and destroyed confidence.
Yesterday's result apart from the total disrespect shown to both sets of fans and Harrogate Town means nothing Wasting a chance for the real first team to get together and have a confidence boosting win does very much matter. Some on here argue that we are protecting the first team from injury ahead of the big kick off Injuries can and have been picked up in training and can also occur in the first minute of the season so can't see that being a sticking point as to why they didn't play
To me the advantages of playing the first team in friendlies as opposed to the scratch 11 far outweigh the risks of injury

 

But wasn't it Collins who said, before any pre season friendlies, that he would be going into every game, friendly or not, as if it was a league game and the aim was to win them all to get "a winning mentality"??
I don't want to hear "pre season friendlies are meaningless, don't matter, results don't mean anything" from the fans.
It was Collins who laid down the gauntlet yet his words so far, are meaningless.
Lesson MC...………..don't come out with statements like that if you are not going to back 'em up.

 

Don’t give a shit but made a thread about it?

 

People need to take a deep breath, kick back and relax, safe in the knowledge that Omari Patrick will go out on loan very soon

 

Shurrup you big fanny.

 

I hate friendlies and would never travel to Harrogate to watch it whether it was first team or kids.
But the main concern for me is we’re so close to the season and our first team squad have hardly got any minutes under their belt. This weekend was ideal in playing a decent side with our first 11.

 

Please say you have evidence to back this up #prayingforpatrickloan