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Germany again

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Park bantam, Jun 23, 2021.

  1. Skyebantam

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    I won’t lie, that was the usual emotional ordeal but it was a fantastic win, Germany are not as good as they were, but we’re not exactly shoe ins for anything ourselves, so it’s a fantastic achievement for a side with so many young players. Have to say, Gareth got it right, good subs at the right time, he was right to keep Kane on though, I thought he could maybe have been subbed for Rashford’s pace. Shows what I know.

    just need to keep our feet on the ground, no easy games lie ahead. Everyone will fancy their chances.
     
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    What an odd second sentence! Most random comment on the forum this week.
     
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    It was like a boxing match between 2 middleweights who spent most of it sparring, until one actually landed a shot. A poor watch in terms of entertainment, but Southgate has obviously decided that the most likely chance of success comes from keeping it tight and hoping we can nick the odd goal.
     
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    It wasn’t the intensity though I had an issue with, rather his decision making, when you have no space ahead of you but you have an easy ball out to Trippier who is in space and you choose to run into the 4 German defenders ahead of you rather than play it that’s a problem. The only time he showed any football intelligence was on the goal, it was the only time he ran with the ball, realised he was running into trouble and saw a player well positioned and played it
     
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    Maybe and at times that isn’t a bad tactic but Only if there isn’t any other ball on. If his choice is to just hold the ball up and hope others create a possible ball for him or run at the defenders and try and get something then that’s fine, when there is a good pass on though he has to take it rather than go for the low percentage play
     
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    Maybe. But I wonder how much he was playing to orders. I think we set up to have Stirling and Saka running directly and taking on their central defenders. I'd rather have him chance his arm and potentially win free kicks or penalties than play percentages all the time.
    As Gary Neville has said, we don't have a Hoddle or Modric-type playmaker to pull teams apart. So Southgate's game plan is to make us exceedingly difficult to score against and then rely on our plethora of talented attackers to produce moments of magic to nick us goals. I think Stirling has been told to just go out there and take people on, knowing that we have Phillips and Rice protecting the defence if he loses the ball. Yes, he overdoes it sometimes, but I think Southgate has told him to back himself and keep doing it.
     
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    But when he has committed a couple of players and he has the WB free outside him who can exploit the space he has created by committing those players then you have to take it. Both the goals came from committing players to give a player out wide space but until the first goal, Stirling pretty much refused the pass. In fact he became less 'greedy' when he was switched to the side of the pitch he doesn't like playing on
     
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    Sure. I'm not saying that he shouldn't make the pass. But when you're in crowded traffic, trying to commit defenders and keep control of the ball it's not easy to get your head up and pick the killer pass.
    I think we have to accept that what you get with Stirling is a quick, skilful player who can beat players and also poach close range goals, but who doesn't always see the bigger picture. Even accepting that limitation he's been our most dangerous and effective attacker this tournament. I can forgive his occasional blind spots if he keeps scoring a goal every game. Whatever you may think of him, you can bet that opposing coaches are racking their brains trying to work out how to counter the threats he poses.
     

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