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Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Bantam-in-Greece, Apr 1, 2020.

  1. Fordy117

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  3. Fordy117

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    I just thought it was funny but certain bits whoever it I say has a point.

    No, agenda. I just don't like people telling people what's they should do with their money when they're no doing it themselves.
     
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  4. JonButterfield

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    Those players earn Hancock's annual salary within weeks in some cases.
     
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  5. Fordy117

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    I really don't care. If someone get £100 per week or 350k per week it's up to them what they do with their money.

    Hancock is part of the failure that got us in this mess and he just needs to concentrate on his job.
     
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    If you don't care how much people have or earn, why are you talking about the owners funding everything when it isn't a legal obligation?
     
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    Haven't you been saying for months what Rupp should be doing with his money and at the same time have said you wouldn't be willing to put any of your own money into the club because there is no return to be earned? And now your view is that owners can do whatever they want since it's up to them. Flip flop, flip flop!
     
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    No, I said owners can contribute if they wish.
     
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    The opening gambit is the player calling Hancock a tw@t. The rest then basically agrees with the point Hancock is trying to make.
     
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    Literally today you said "The owners have to do more and don't do enough."

    That isn't the same as saying "The owners can do more if they wish."
     
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    Actually, his ideas go much, much further than Hancock's. He seems to view Hancock as an untrustworthy Tory.

    If you search up what Mark Noble has also done, he's invested heavily in social housing and is pretty apparently a socialist at heart, criticising the amount of money he and other players are paid, but counterbalancing that by giving lots of his own earnings for charitable purposes.
     
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    I do doubt however it's Mark in the interview.
    Yes, he's a socialist, yes he's investing in social housing, he did donate the thick end of a million from his testimonial to three charities, and is the major patron of Richard House Children's Hospice.

    See @Fordy117@Fordy117 's beloved Liverpool are the latest to take advantage of the taxpayer
     
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    Its a double edged sword though isnt it.

    Professional footballers are the highest people in this country, rightly or wrongly, however the flip side is they most likely contribute most to the government due to high tax rate etc.

    If they suddenly cut their wage in half or whatever, then thats a massive drop in income for the government when they are probably needing cash the most
     
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    He'll still find a way to blame the government
     
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    Many more will be doing. Large companies have done it and our own Bradford City.

    I said before I don't blame clubs or businesses for doing it.

    Holes in the government offering but they shouldn't have left gaps. I suggest companies to do it no matter of the size.

    The government are not giving an exit plan from this so you can't really blame businesses for using the system.
     
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    Ha you know me to well
     
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    See what I mean.
     
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    How do you know if Rupp is helping people in his own country
    What failure there is no failure here
     
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    PFA STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF PREMIER LEAGUE PLAYERS

    All Premier League players want to, and will, play their part in making significant financial contributions in these unprecedented times.

    All Premier League players fully appreciate their role and responsibilities in society during this current crisis. They care deeply for those who are suffering with loss, health and hardship at the moment.

    Discussions about how players can best financially contribute have been ongoing during the current crisis, and prior to yesterday’s announcement by the Premier League.

    The Premier League players want to take the lead and ensure their financial contributions will support:

    • Our clubs that we play for will obviously need our support, particularly if this crisis goes beyond June.
    • Non-playing staff at our Premier League clubs – guaranteeing they receive 100% of their wages.
    • EFL and non-league clubs, their staff and players.
    • The NHS - whose workers - many of whom are football fans - are doing so much for us all. They are the real heroes.
    We cannot stress enough that football is in this together. Solidarity and putting aside any self-interest is paramount.

    To re-cap what the Premier League proposed within the announcement yesterday:

    • £20m to charitable causes.
    • Advancing £125m to the EFL and National League clubs.
    • A 12-month 30% salary cut/deferral in wages for Premier League players.
    £20m is welcome, but we believe it could be far bigger.

    The EFL money is an advance. Importantly, it will aid cashflow in the immediate, but football needs to find a way to increase funding to the EFL and non-league clubs in the long-term.

    Many clubs require an increase in funding just to survive. We believe in our football pyramid and again stress the need for solidarity between all clubs.

    Going forward, we are working together to find a solution which will be continually reviewed in order to assess the circumstance of the COVID-19 crisis.

    The players are mindful that as PAYE employees, the combined tax on their salaries is a significant contribution to funding essential public services - which are especially critical at this time. Taking a 30% salary deduction will cost the Exchequer substantial sums. This would be detrimental to our NHS and other government-funded services.

    The proposed 30% salary deduction over a 12-month period equates to over £500m in wage reductions and a loss in tax contributions of over £200m to the government. What effect does this loss of earning to the government mean for the NHS? Was this considered in the Premier League proposal and did the Health Secretary, Matt Hancock factor this in when asking players to take a salary cut?

    We welcomed the opportunity to discuss this with the Premier League today and we are happy to continue talks.

    It is our priority to finalise the precise details of our commitment as soon as possible. However, to achieve a collective position for all Premier League players - of which there are many different financial and contractual circumstances from club-to-club - will take a bit more time.

    The PFA Charity has also agreed to make a substantial contribution to a player-led initiative once the details are finalised.

    There should be no doubting the players and captains are committed to achieving this as soon as possible. They recognise their role in wider society and what they need to do, as a group, to help and support others.
     
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  20. JonButterfield

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    The PFA see sense.

    The fact it took so long will see Premier League players get unfair flack for not agreeing to do this in the first place - when actually it wasn't within their gift to do so with the PFA union stalling and taking time.

    We should all be free to correct anyone claiming this is an enforced pay cut or that the Premier League players didn't want to contribute - I'm pretty sure most of them did. Gordon Taylor, however, dragged his heels (and dragged the PL name through the dirt).
     

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