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Fans Back At VP - A Plan

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by BSABantam74, May 14, 2020.

  1. Hulmebantam

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    They have the underlying system in place, along with, I assume, one point of entry into the nursery. That is common for most educational environments. Assuming that the heat sensor technology works, then plugging that output into their system and database will be relatively straightforward.

    I do think that is quite different to gaining entry into a relatively archaic football stadium. The turnstiles would need to be replaced and the need for probably thirty or forty plus heat sensors and the underlying hardware and software integrated around the ground will not be a trivial activity.

    Doable no doubt, although where you would situate the temperature scanners would be interesting. I assume that they would need to be in a sheltered environment.

    This may be an essential spend but I suspect it will cost well into six figures.
     
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  2. BSABantam74

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    I feel your sense of "angst" and I want Bronco, Park and yourself indeed all of us back watching from the stands at the earliest. But it will not happen that way at first. You have to face the facts and some of us will form the advance party that makes it possible for other early excluded fans to return.

    Its nothing to do with ageism or anything ?; remember the Under 18s wont be in because of the added difficulties managing children around Govt regulation.

    Please keep it positive. Lets be realistic and lets take this new normal; innovate and work with it for the future the game in the lower leagues. If we cannot accept some temporary uncomfortable decisions ? none of us are going anywhere along with football. And lets agree that cannot happen.
     
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  3. Fordy117

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    It's like people think we can just go back to normal.. the government has lead us down a path and we accept any changes.

    This we all can go to mass gatherings at this moment ignoring the facts in our face is plan madness. I want us all to go but over 70's just can't. I would be extremely disappointed is Bradford City or any football club allowed over 70's in until a vaccine. If government says no vaccine then fine but while we hope for one over 70's can't be risked.
     
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    It's going to cost clubs no matter what but it's like if pubs want to open then looks like the expense will be huge.

    It won't be a case of 'we're open'.. the plan Spoons has is going to cost hundred of thousands.

    The turnstiles should have been upgraded years ago but it goes back to @SimonW@SimonW point that lower league clubs just waste money. Problem Bradford has they don't own the stadium and all these upgrades that will more than likely be required is going to be a massive blow to them but the club has itself to blame.
     
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  5. Bronco

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    Sorry but that is just not going to happen, it will be one brave club or association (EFL) to make a decision to bar a certain age group from attending live games if other age groups are encouraged to attend.
    Unfortunately with regards your way forward, possibly the over 70 might just as well forget about supporting the club anymore, and that's your opinion of keeping it positive, I don't want to hear your negatives.
     
  6. Storck

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    Clubs and the league will only bar over 70s if the government tell them it is the only way to reopen the stadium. They will not make that decision themself as they will be desperate for cash from anyone.
     
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    The government won’t do it would need legislation and is completely unworkable
     
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    But they won't bring crowds at games if they feel it will increase the death rate.

    If sport want crowds back then suggestions like this will have to be required. We all suffer if not.
     
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    In that case you are fine
     
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    clubs will only remove income stream if ordered by the government
     
  11. BSABantam74

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    Could not be more positive if I tried. Its by getting us in that actually paves the way to get everyone in !. We will prove it safe and new measures manageable. Football in the lower leagues cannot sit around and wait for a vaccine. It has to innovate and manage the risk ? That means actually managing us the supporters around this new normal ?.

    None of us are going back to City in the same way ? Everyone of us will need to sacrifice going to all games. I accept I will probably only get in one out of two games at first. But the club will need to work on that and keep those on the outside engaged with the club. Sadly Bronco its the only way for now. but everyones time will come trust me.
    October it is we will be back.
     
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    The income stream is removed by the government, so now it's up to football to highlight how it can make them look good and safe to return.

    Suggesting that the highest death rate category don't attend is a good way to start don't you think?
     
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    There will be some form of Government Public Health directive without doubt. It could come in the form of a "health risk passport" on your phone. So you sign up to it and use it to get into large public events. That way the authorities could temporarily control who attended these events. In the initial stages Under 18s and over 70s would not be given clearance through screening. So your right thats probably how it will be done and your season ticket. If the clubs/government arent already thinking of this I would be very suprised.
     
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    How sbout this for a radical idea then?
    Let the over 70s attend games but ban Fordy....
    Happy days.
     
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    To be honest it isn’t the place of a private company to be making public health decisions. If City ban over 70s yet they are allowed legally everywhere else it is pointless. That is why it will not happen unless the government instruct them. No other business has banned anyone, so why would football be different?
     
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    two questions.

    Why under 18s? Government seem to be saying children are at a low risk which is why schools are reopening.

    And what do you class as large public gathering? Would they be able to go watch Park Avenue, or maybe Eccleshill?
     
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    Well no you're wrong.

    Sport will have to put something together to say how they want crowds back.

    Crowds want come back due to health and we follow the science business is bollocks. Follow the science then over 70's need to stay inside.

    if we follow the science the over 70's won't be allowed in it's as simple as that. Mass gatherings won't happen unless the bodies make tough decisions or we all suffer.

    This lockdown has been utter pointless! What a waste of time. Everyone things they're superman. We should have just carried on as normal.
     
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    So at 69 you are free to do as you please, and at 70 you are old, decrepit, and forced to be housebound ???

    Bullshit

    Guidance please, not compulsion
     
  19. Bronco

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    Looking at that scenario I cant see how the government could just make it for football, it would have to be advisory across all sports that attract fans in any amount of numbers your examples of Avenue or Ecchleshill right up to Man U and Internationals.
    And then we look at rock concerts, the Great Yorkshire Show, and large hotels that accommodate hundreds, I couldn't imagine a family outing to Blackpool and the way the likes of cafes, fish & chip shops and amusement arcades would deal with social distancing.
     
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    Attending games, for many, becomes a part of life. If the season starts, and you cannot attend, because you are deemed to be at risk, or you yourself decide that is the case, then even if circumstances alter, then there is a good possibility that your patterns of behaviour will change.

    For a variety of reasons, I stopped going to City after the fire. I found others things to do and settled into a life in which football, apart from the results and MOTD, played little part. I didn’t return until 1994, and the reason then was down to my daughters growing interest in football.

    At the moment virtually everyone’s life is ‘on hold’. However if football and life in general restarts, yet significant numbers are not allowed to attend Valley Parade, or decide themselves, that the risk is too high, then they will be lost to City.

    Starting up to early, could actually lose ‘excluded’ supporters, as they begin to find other interests.
     
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