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Election 2019 (with Prediction Poll)

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Tony Wilkinson, Oct 31, 2019.

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What is the outcome of the 2019 election going to be?

Poll closed Dec 13, 2019.
  1. Tory Majority outright

    15 vote(s)
    42.9%
  2. Labour Majority outright

    2 vote(s)
    5.7%
  3. Tory Minority Government

    10 vote(s)
    28.6%
  4. Labour Minority Government

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%
  5. Government of national unity

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Anarchy in the UK

    7 vote(s)
    20.0%
  1. Tony Wilkinson

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    My money's on the white lass.......................oh no, what have I just said................
     
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  2. Rogered Tart

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    I have very little in the way of standards bu thats pushing it.
     
  3. Campbell's soup

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    Not giving you a general erection then?
     
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  4. Tony Wilkinson

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    When did the chinese come into this...?
     
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    ...about the same time as the Russians.
     
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  6. Rogered Tart

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    Not even a semi stage.
     
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    You’ll be taken away for ‘re-education’
     
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  8. Amber

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    Nationalising broadband is a great idea, genuinely innovative.
    Sad to see that some people are so used to the status quo that they're completely afraid of bold change, if the NHS didn't exist and was proposed today you'd see the same handwringing about how expensive and complicated it would be.
     
  9. trevor

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    Cost will be horrendous in to hundreds of billions and may well bankrupt the country, You will still have to pay your telephone line provider for the line to your house if you want a home phone, Who will compensate Virgin, O2, TalkTalk, Sky for the loss of business and the thousands of job losses?
    Of all the things we need to spend money on out of taxpayers money this is the daftest, They claim increasing taxes on the likes of Amazon and facebook etc will pay for it despite having spent this money in other daft plans probably 3 times over,
    BTW, Labour want to remain in the EU and under EU competition law this would be illegal, So a fake proposal
     
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  10. Dionysus

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    Look I’m not arguing that Diane Abbott doesn’t make her fair share of gaffes, far from it. Nor am I suggesting that because she’s black that she’s above reproach for that. All elected officials should be subject to scrutiny.

    Maybe what I’m trying to say probably requires thousands more words than I’m semi clumsily expressing here, it’s a difficult point to make.

    MPs from an ethnic minority receive more abuse than those who are not, and I firmly believe (anecdotally, I don’t have data for this) that it’s of a different nature. It seems to me to be more patronising and delegitimising. Yet I don’t think that the people doing it are necessarily expressly racist as such.

    In some ways it makes the argument much more difficult precisely because she’s prone to public gaffes, but I firmly believe that this doesn’t warrant receiving about a third of ALL abuse directed towards MPs. It’s how the public respond to these gaffes disproportionately from other very similar gaffes from other people.
     
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    I tend to agree, I think it would be a good idea to make access to the internet universal and would genuinely allow a platform with which to progress publicly available technology.

    It does have a feel to it though if one of those policies precisely like the price cap on energy where Labour will say it, and it will get derided, then it will be bundled up by a much more charismatic Conservative salesperson in a few years.
     
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  12. trevor

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    The state and politicians in charge of Broadband? Those who remember the last time it was nationalised and the absolute mess it was will shudder at the thought of it been only one supplier again run by incompetent untouchable civil servants , And of course it would begin free but would quite quickly have to be paid for again to raise money or offset its running costs, Gullible is not the word for this policy/con trick

    BTW if you have a private or works pension this policy puts it at risk, The plan is to buy Openreach which is owned by the big pension providers to provide pensions not by paying cash so your pension provider can reinvest it on your behalf to keep your pension viable, But no the plan is to swap the shares for a created government bond which will end up a junk bond and will never pay a dividend that could pay your pension, McDonnell nearly bankrupted the Greater London Council when in charge of finances, Now he is going one better and trying to bankrupt the whole country,
     
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    I guess it depends on the eventual scale of the operation, but there’s no excuse for running public services as badly as they were back then.

    A lot of major corporations effectively run themselves as a micro state anyway, but with bottom up organisation rather than top down by managing the supply chains through data. A complete rethinking of nationalised utility can work. Just not like it has been run in the past.
     
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    Your belief it would be different is touching but miss placed, It would be just as bad and maybe worse, I remember my phone been faulty and the GPO taking weeks to repair and no where else to go, The GPO knew that and so could not care less, Where would you go? It is their way or the highway
     
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    I believe it's the likes of Amazon, Google, Startbucks, Vodafone, Facebook, who get around paying their full tax's so good luck with trying to get even more out of them, maybe a better incentive from Labour would be to tell HMRC we no longer do deals with these sort of companies, now that would be a positive.
     
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    Your comment ‘not neccesarily expressly racist’ is a good debate point, especially in world where certain agenda led folk are looking for a racial angle in pretty much every day life. And a knock on effect of this is precisely the ‘abuse’ that Diane Abbott recieves. Firstly no one has differentiated between people who dislike Abbott for her incompetence and people who dislike her because of the colour of her skin, what happens is everyone is thrown into the same pot. And that pot has racism written all over, despite the fact no one has a clue how many of those people actually harbour racist views.
    Its a dangerous precedent where people are having to justify they are not racist even though there is no direct evidence to suggest they are orher than been thrown in with everyone else. I don’t dispute there are some that will harbour racist thoughts towards Diane Abbott and other black MPs, the number cannot be directly correlated with the number of complaints against these MPs, this can only be done when bonafide evidence of racism can be proved.
    My guess which i also can’t prove is that the compaints made against Abbott are more to do with the fact she’s as thick as mince at times.
     
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    You just forgot to add the third constant Mr Brown.

    Labour + Brown + pensions = disaster.
     
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    I've no doubt that SOME abuse is racially motivated but then how do you explain the amount of abuse people like Trump, Boris, Nicola Sturgeon and Corbyn get? Is this mainly non white people with a subconscious bias against people they believe to be racist?

    It's far too easy to throw in the race card and statistics generally mean very little as they can often be used to prove both sides of almost any argument.

    Abbott rightly receives criticism online because in live debates and interviews she comes across as struggling to answer any question that hasn't got a scripted answer she's had time to prepare and these days, ALL politicians are fair game in my view.
     
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    The government themselves have produced a report which says having one broadband service provider would save the country billions
    https://mobile.twitter.com/_andrewtowers/status/1195120731572572161
    It's an idea in the spirit of Tim Berners-Lee, the man who invented the internet and gave it to the world free of charge, and one of the greatest Britons ever. Internet access is also a basic human need these days in that it's needed to access universal credit, apply for jobs, and to work remotely.
    Sad to see that living in a neoliberal democracy for so long has narrowed people's idea of what's possible to the extent that they'd oppose this.
     
  20. trevor

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    rubbish, read it, this is its conclusion,
    National monopoly model – this model could, in principle, deliver 100% coverage, support nationally uniform prices and result in lower deployment costs (as there is no FTTP network duplication). However, this model also has drawbacks: □ It greatly reduces network competition, both now and in the future, which is likely to have a negative impact on quality, choice and innovation. While dynamic efficiencies associated with innovation may be less pronounced in other utilities (such as energy and water), the telecoms For example, there is likely to be a need to compensate the existing fibre providers if their assets are acquired by the national monopolist. frontier economics 10 FUTURE TELECOMS INFRASTRUCTURE REVIEW: ANNEX A sector is strongly driven by technological innovation. Reducing network competition could be detrimental for quality and choice in the future;
     

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