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Election 2019 (with Prediction Poll)

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Tony Wilkinson, Oct 31, 2019.

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What is the outcome of the 2019 election going to be?

Poll closed Dec 13, 2019.
  1. Tory Majority outright

    15 vote(s)
    42.9%
  2. Labour Majority outright

    2 vote(s)
    5.7%
  3. Tory Minority Government

    10 vote(s)
    28.6%
  4. Labour Minority Government

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%
  5. Government of national unity

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Anarchy in the UK

    7 vote(s)
    20.0%
  1. Get Rid Of It

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    Fifty shades of grey?
    I've heard its a reet dirty book.

    Sorry, i couldn't resist.
     
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  2. Nottsy

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    I don’t agree with not voting either, not voting achieves nothing, if I thought I couldn’t vote for anybody, I’d spoil my paper, at least that makes a spoil point. Having said that, I think most people wouldn’t be able to find a party that fits in with their exact views, I can’t. But, I can find a party that fits broadly in what I think, and I think that’s the way of most people.
     
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  3. Stafford Bantam

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    I can fully understand your frustration. However, I believe that not voting just plays into their hands. It seems that the only thing that will get many MPs to act is the threat of them losing access to their gravy train. In that case, vote for one of the smaller parties that sits closest to your views. If enough people turned away from the Conservatives/Labour/Liberals (over 95% of the vote in England at the last election) then, maybe just maybe, we'd see a bit more effort from our MPs
     
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  4. Offcomedun

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    Well, I guess that depends what you are calling 'centre'. Most of Labour's policies would have been considered common ground between both main parties before Thatcher. They would also be seen as mildly social democratic centre ground in most European countries now.
    Thatcher lurched British politics hugely to the right in the eighties and it has remained that way. What's now seen as 'far left' in Parliamentary terms is nothing of the sort. The supposedly middle ground Liberals are actually more like the pre-Thatcher Tory Party. The media decided years ago that previously right wing ideas, like Cameron & Osborne's austerity economics, are now 'moderate' and anything to the left of that, however mild, is 'far left'.

    There's no doubt that the current Tory Party is increasingly right wing. They have purged many of the more traditional One Nation Tories for daring to oppose No Deal and others are not standing in this election because they no longer feel at home in a party dominated by the hardline ERG. The current cabinet is composed almost entirely of Thatcher's Children. People like Raab, Patel and JR-M would have been considered hard line right even in Thatcher's cabinet.

    So, yes, Labour has moved to the left since Blair, but only back to the space it occupied for all of the 20th century. The fact it is now seen as very left wing says much more about our right wing political culture than it does about the Labour Party.
     
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    Tony Blair is potentially a war criminal but still would be far more electable than any running this year.
     
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  6. Offcomedun

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    You're probably correct.
    He was certainly a much more able politician than Johnson, Corbyn or Swinson.
     
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  7. Rogered Tart

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    Ah the old postal vote
    As much as i would like to see Blair swing from a rope like Saddam did i do respect the fact that he knew first and foremost its all about making money, which his bank balance is testimony to. Problem with Blair was the same problem the Yanks had with Obama, both were/are great orators but in the long term scheme of things achieved little and eventually they are seen through.
     
  8. Hoochy-Min

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    There's one party promising to make actual, tangible changes to the lives of everyday people.

    You carry on believing the press that portray the leader as a doddering old 'Marxist' fool though.
     
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    Would compulsory voting help to fix that? To be clear I’m certainly not necessarily saying I agree with it (genuinely have no view on it) - but one thing’s for certain, if people thought that things were broken, it’d provide an incentive to run for an alternative.
     
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    I don’t follow. Taken in extremis, were a billionaire offer to give me a million quid for free with no strings attached, would I take it? Of course I would, I’m human. This isn’t a hypocrisy issue though, this is an issue of government policy.
     
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    Whilst it is my personal belief that I should always exercise my vote, I also believe that others should be allowed to exercise their right not to vote. Our democracy has many faults, but I believe compulsory voting would be just another fault to add to the list.
     
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    Yeah that’s absolutely fair enough. It’s a shame there’s no real way in a ballot paper to register discontent. None of the above would capture it, I guess.
     
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    You’ve got to define ‘our interest’ for that question to have any merit.

    There are loads of MPs who are fantastic for their constituents and work extremely hard. Stella Creasy is one, Harriet Harmon another. . There are plenty that don’t and steal a living (Jared O’Mara a prime example), but those that do work hard at their job get an extremely unfair crack.
     
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    Just been listening and reading about what Mogg said yesterday. He’s just massive Twit isn’t he. Tory scumbags, they never change, the mask always slips.
     
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    While some found it distasteful and some feign anger for political reasons what he said was not so bad and some would say that it is right, The common sense comment maybe some found distasteful but that apart he was right, All he said was that following the stay put advice was fine but as nothing was happening and the flames licked nearer than maybe sense and survival instinct would tell you to ignore the advice and run,
     
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    Blaming the victims is a cu**s trick. Mogg is a c**t.
     
  17. Tony Wilkinson

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    Obviously this stuff is a bit close to home for some of us on here, If I had followed my instincts instead of listening to others in 1985 things could have been so much different for me...
    You don't have the luxury of hindsight on these occasions...
     
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  18. Tony Wilkinson

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    Listen to yourself....
     
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    Hillsborough, Orgreave, Grenfell. Always the same with these c**ts.
     
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    And then Tory MP Andrew Bridgen compounds the insult by defending Rees Mogg's comments. Same old, nasty Tories, always defending the indefensible and sneering at ordinary folk.
     
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