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Discussion in 'City Talk' started by king karl, Mar 9, 2019.

  1. marshy77

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    We're talking about getting a coffee in a football ground, it's not going to be freshly ground barista quality coffee is it.
     
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  2. Bigrod

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    Haven’t bought food/drink at the ground for years. The quality first, the queues second and finally the prices are enough to firmly put me off. I can survive from 2.30 until after 6.00 pm without an alcoholic drink and food, I take a flask of decent coffee with me.
     
  3. Stafford Bantam

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    It is at Stafford Rangers, from its own separate coffee outlet. They also have 4 or 5 bars available at matches, with at least three of those selling real ale. And a range of food that would put City to shame.

    If a Northern Premier League club can manage it, then surely its not too difficult for City. I just get the impression that City are happy to make a profit out of those who don't care about the quality of their food and drink, whilst they ignore the rest.
     
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    I'm pretty sure the club would do it if there was a profit there. The fact they don't tells me either they aren't allowed to due to contract restrictions or they believe there simply isn't enough profit in to warrant it.
     
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  5. marshy77

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    That's to a crowd of 600 fans, I'm only guessing but to try do that for a crowd of around 10-12000 is far more difficult. Only guessing though. Out of interest how much was the coffee?

    I think its mainly to do with a pre arranged contract too which I think has been covered previously.
     
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  6. Stafford Bantam

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    Can't remember the exact prices, but £2 or so for a large espresso.
     
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  7. ahar964

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    I think I read somewhere that the highest cost component of a takeaway coffee is the cup. Even so its difficult to see that the margin wouldn't be at least 80%. But I guess the problem with doing it in house might be the food. What do you do with 500 left over pies (not a real figure)?
     
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  8. Bigrod

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    From a ‘business forum’, discussing the profit margins:- “Cost: 8p (coffee) + 6p (milk) = 14p

    Sell for £2.20. Take off the VAT first resulting in the NET sale of £1.83.

    Gross profit = £1.83 - £0.14 => £1.69 => 92.3% profit margin’.
     
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    Give them to the homeless
     
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    I was close! Actually I think that costing doesn't include the cup so I must be even nearer :grinning:
     
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    Huge profit but doesn't take wages/overheads into account.
     
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    Couldn't agree more.....but any leftovers cost money, so maybe that's why the club prefer the no-risk option of a fixed income from selling the contract.....cue Fordy :grinning:
     
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    True, or the hot water etc. Even so I think it would be hard not to profit from selling hot drinks, it's the food etc that is more complicated
     
  14. king karl

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    they was giving out free leftover pies after the match as we was walking out
     
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    That was one of the reasons why the club chose to outsource the food contract to what is now Sodexho all those years ago. The contractor has lots of other sporting and non-sporting outlets throughout the week to sell those pies which aren't sold at VP on the 23 days or so it's open. If City had decided to run the food kiosks themselves, many of those pies, burgers and sausage rolls which were unsold would be wasted.

    The other reasons were indeed the guaranteed fee paid by the contractor and the absence of any staffing issues making the venture virtually risk free from the club's perspective. Baldwin's strategy was to leave it all to the specialists.
     
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    The item was looking at a unit operating over 12 hours with attendant costs of wages to cover the extended opening time. Agree with your comment. However the volume of sales over a three hour period will potentially be substantial and as such fuel the profits.
     
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    I understand the reasons why they did it and at the time it was a risk free, convenient way to get it sorted. That said, it's been contracted out for a long time now and we've had plenty of time to come up with a way to make it work in house. We're missing out on thousands of pounds every match day.
     
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    That would make sense ... so long as somebody at the club could come up with a way of making it work in-house. As yet, as far as I'm aware, that hasn't happened. When the club last reviewed its outsourced operations, the decided to bring the shop back in-house because they believed they could make more money from it and yet decided to leave kiosk catering outsourced. We can only assume that they looked into it thoroughly in coming to those decisions.

    Some times, you just have to leave things to other experts. The club is an expert in running a football club (well, sort of!) and others are more expert at running catering operations. That's simply a reality of life.
     
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    Fordy??
     
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    Good post Dennis, unless you have masses of expertise on tap outsourcing is a better option provided the rent or royalties are right. Edin brought the shop back in, against my advice and after one year it is outsourced, together with the risk.
    Around 2014/15 the 1911 was brought in house and lost a fortune, done against JR advice and very quickly ditched.
    The kiosks are now operated by CGC who do the rest of the catering. They have spent money on new equipment and are giving it a go after the last operator quit after making losses and they were professionals!!
    Give me a guaranteed income and no risk any day.
     
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