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City's Prowess in the Market

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by JonButterfield, Sep 15, 2020.

  1. bantamdave41

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    So what's happened to the old lad @Dennis@Dennis ?
     
  2. Hoochy-Min

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    Players will look at us and think, why was Doyle desperate to get away? Why was Vaughan desperate to get away?

    If you're a striker looking at our squad, where are your goals coming from?

    We're just on such a downer, the place needs a massive lift somehow.
     
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  3. Faithful Bantam

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    The whole thing is utterly depressing and it's exactly why I refused to buy an ST this season - nothing to do with COVID. Theres nothing about this club that inspires hope that the future is going to get any better. In fact I think it's more likely to get worse.
     
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  4. Inspector

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    I still don’t understand why the owner hasn’t addressed the fans, with his vision for the club going forward. It’s probably the most talked about subject amongst City fans, and one that may be affecting recruitment. If McCall fails, numbers of season tickets will fall, income falls and the downward spiral continues.
     
  5. Faithful Bantam

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    Because he doesnt have one.
     
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  6. Bronco

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    Without doubt it was a shocking performance and result but I think it was a fair reply, up to the Lincoln we were never looked like getting beat in any of the 3 previous games a steady start to a new season, we all agreed our attacking options need to improve but I'm with @Burlington Bertie@Burlington Bertie Park Bantam, it was a poor show but some of the stuff that's being posted is way over the top.
     
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  7. Feats Don't Fail Me Now

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    They will also ask "Why didn't the other strikers want to go there? It wasn't about money so what was it?"

    It really is a top to bottom issue though for me most players could careless about an owner who is sitting in Germany not paying a lot of attention. If they see he is signing cheques, players are being brought in (which he is and they are) then the fact he doesn't turn up for games is really a non issue.

    If the money is equal to other offers then what a player will do is ask around other players about the club and ask around other players about the manager. Those two things are then the differentiator.

    I dont think at this point we are seen as a good club to come to and Teflon is not seen by young players as a manager that is going to take them anywhere. He has nothing but failures and sackings on his resume in most players living memory. (NOTE I SAID PLAYERS...they are all young men and it is now 3 or 4 years since the losing Wembley Play Off Final and there is nothing on his resume before that at all in England).
     
  8. Rogered Tart

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    If you think the problems at this club are pretty much down to the manager, which you allude to in pretty much every post, then you are deluded. The recruitment of McCall for the third time will always be open to discussion as to the various pros and cons, but if you're so aggrieved at his appointment then the answer to the problem you are looking at is slapping you in the face. Who employed him and why? Stop wasting all your energy berating McCall and you'll see where the problems lie.
     
  9. bantamdave41

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    You and Park have always got on!
     
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  10. Bronco

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    I'm lost mate, are you saying @parkbantam has changed his username to Burlington Bertie.
    Yes I can relate to much of what he posts we dont always agree maybe because were of a similar age and with regards Bradford City we have both gone through the mill with them as have others who I normally agree with.
     
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  11. Bantam@{Lancs}

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    I think alot of it is down to Bradford being a Covid riddled dump, players will take one look in the area where the ground is and think fk that. Yes I know players won't live there but it will still count when weighing up options.
    Add that to the basket case recent history and as a player with any ambition your coming nowhere near VP unless your on opposing side.
     
  12. Bronco

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    Or the club are paying you a good salary, there are other factors without doubt modern players spend very little time in Bradford or at Valley Parade and as you say they would possibly rent outside Bradford.
     
  13. Feats Don't Fail Me Now

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    I did say that there are problems from top to bottom "It really is a top to bottom issue..." but you can only control certain elements and those are Teflon and JR. Rupp is not going anywhere until he gets an offer he deems acceptable.

    So in the meantime what he could do is put in place a management team that takes the club forward. This is the point where his hand off approach has and will cost him money. He gave JR carte blanche on the management appointment after Bowyer and he brought Teflon back. I haven't seen more than a handful of contributions that say this was the best appointment for the club on a footballing level. Many like it because he is who he is. Some like it because they want him to succeed but most will agree that if we were hard headed Teflon would have been pretty low down on the list of potential appointments.

    Start at the bottom. Get that bit right and the bit at the top becomes an irrelevance.
     
  14. Bronco

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    At the time it was a very similar situation as it was with the McCall sacking, Rahic brought Grayson in, most thought Mr Chamionship manager could turn the squad around not a lot to ask of a manager with his credentials several promotions I believe and the fact we were still in with the chance of a play off place.
    So I'd suggest Julian thought on similar lines when he brought McCall back we were still around a play off place and if anyone could erase the doom and gloom McGod could, it's not that difficult to see the other side of the arguement.
     
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    You've got that wrong, you always start at the top otherwise the manager is working with a hand tied behind his back. I respect that bringing him back should be questioned, to me it was a lazy appointment that needed no other work than a flick through the contacts on Rhodes's phone. On a selfish point of view I'm glad he's back as he's my only football icon, not that it makes it the right decision. But if you're so against him coming back, blame the guy who brought him back.

    Remember, McCall didn't ask to come back. The club, Jr and Rupp, asked him to come back. And this is Bradford City, he isn't ever going to say no to the club he loves.
     
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    That's a novel approach! Most books would say Leadership of any business or organisation starts at the top.
     
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  17. Feats Don't Fail Me Now

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    CEO/Owner are in many football clubs nothing more than the money men. they supply the werewithall for the football people to do the job.

    Wether Rupp is engaged or not, if he is supplying the wherewithal then the trying to point the finger at him is simply trying to deflect from the deficiencies at the manager position.
     
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    There’s an assistant manager lives a couple of doors down from me, him and the manager he’s worked with have managed in the bottom three divisions, talking to him he’s used the word joke to describe City.
     
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  19. Dennis

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    That's a sweeping generalisation.

    That approach is also one reason for our lack of direction and progress. A manager fails and is replaced by a new manager with different ideas. He replaces half the squad, intoduces his own ideas and if he fails, he is replaced by another with his own ideas and the roundabout goes round and round. Occasionally, we strike lucky and one manager lasts a little longer, introducing his own vision, a consistent way forward and it earns us some success. And then he leaves and the roundabout starts to go round and round once again.

    And we never learn. So much so that we re-engage a former manager with his own ideas and hope that is the way to success. But guess what? It isn't! That will continue to be our future without better leadership from the top. Whether Rupp and JR can provide what is needed in leadership is unfortunately highly questionable.
     
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  20. Andy10

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    Start at the bottom? Sorry mate but that’s absolute horse sh1te. The club needs to be pulling in the same direction and that starts with good decisions from the top.
     
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