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Bury FC

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Stafford Bantam, Jun 21, 2019.

  1. Ollylondonbantam

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    I think there are two topics here. Firstly the impact of a club dropping out once the season has started. I’m not aware of that happening in my lifetime so don’t know how it impacts the pyramid as you rightly point out. In terms of correct number of teams in the top 4 professional leagues, is this corrected two seasons after the club is expelled/liquidated? Eg. In this seasons case, would the number of clubs promoted and relegated change from the normal, in season 2020-21? Thus giving the EFL chance to set the rules for the full season.

    As for us and the impact on last season, we were the result of an egomaniac who made some incredibly bad decisions. However fortunately for us:
    A. It was stopped early enough
    B. We have an actual owner who has a decent amount of integrity to want to put things right
    C. We enlisted the help of a former owner who has the experience of fixing the wrongs that were made

    To your point about us surviving if this seasons scenario happened last season, I think there are many anomaly’s that may occur to prevent that happening. However all that said, strangely I think we needed to go down to allow both club and supporters to begin the journey of repair. I think we all felt things couldn’t have got much worse last season, aside of being at risk of going out of business. I didn’t like being relegated and naturally would prefer playing in a higher division than we are. However I believe it’s allowed us to draw a line in the sand, get the right management & coaching team in, restructure the playing staff and bring the right people and characters in behind the scenes. Not saying this couldn’t have happened had we stayed in L.1, however relegation emphasised just how bad a situation we were in.
     
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  2. Rogered Tart

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    I think this sums it up well. Concerns were raised straight away when Day, the chairman at the time, started signing what were big names for league 1, including the likes James Vaughan. He’s either got big pockets or tue likely scenario that hes a con merchant were amongst other like for like comments. The fact his tenure and Steven Dales happened under the rules of EFL ownership prove it and they are not fit for purpose.
     
  3. Botswana Bantam

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    Yes, that's how it was explained on sky sports.
     
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    And that is where these problems started. Apparently they didn’t do the full checks on Dale when he bought the club due to time constraints regarding the club going bust
     
  5. Fordy117

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    People have to remember that all this could of been sorted out months ago.

    Dale brought the club for £1 and then allegedly wanted 2m for it.

    It hard for me to feel sorry for them because it's
    allegedly down to them.

    Think the EFL will give the new buyers time to show that they've the 2.7m but as you say it will be go through anyway.

    I was always under the impression Dale knew he had people interested in buying the club. It's football they will always be a buyer. It's the value the owners put on the club when wanting to sell thats the problem.
     
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  6. Petrov

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    If Bury are saved, they're going to need to get a squad together pronto. Perhaps we could give them Akpan and Patrick as a goodwill gesture ;)
     
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    The original Accrington Stanley were expelled from the league in 1962 ,well into the season. They had played a lot of fixtures and ceased to function in March 1962. My understanding is that all their results were deleted. Having looked at the history, then typically the only team they beat away was...... City! http://www.footballsite.co.uk/Statistics/LeagueTables/Season1961-62/ClubResults/1961-62.Accringtonstanley.html
     
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  8. Ollylondonbantam

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    So it goes back to 1962 and Accrington. Well that makes sense and as I said, not in my lifetime

    Of course it would only be us they beat away. Like think it was our part of trying to support their cause, ha.
     
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    Town of my birth, my old man had trials there when he was younger and played for their youth team a few times. He used to go and watch them with his older brother, though he was an Everton fan at heart, Bury was their local team. Other than that, I personally have no direct affinity to them but as a fellow football supporter, for the sake of their fans, first and foremost, I do hope they can be saved from expulsion from the football league. It’s a sobering reminder of how close many clubs are, financially, to the precipice.
     
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    TBH at this stage, it may be better for them to go bust and get reformed as a new entity. With no squad and a 12 point deduction the seasons a write-off as it is and you have to feel they will just get further and further in the hole. If they go bust and reform as a new entity at least they can start fresh and look to do it right this time.
     
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    If they do survive to continue in league 1, surely there will be a further points deduction? Would be really unfair on Bolton who have been playing their games with a youth side, if Bury are now allowed to assemble a fairly decent squad plus have 4 games in hand.
     
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    You would think so. Not that I see them even putting a decent side together. Even if the sale has been agreed it's unlikely to be fully formalised until after the window closes so they won't be able to make signings before then, At best they will be able to sign players on a free. And any half-decent player is likely to be signed up already, they will be players with things like fitness concerns (Just look at the issue you had trying to find Free transfers last season that could contribute well). And the new owners are likely to write the season off anyway because why waste more money on a season you have no chance on. I could see them taking risks on lots of young players released from other clubs on fairly small wages and hope with game time they may be players they can flip in Jan or at the end of the season to give them a budget to try and put a league 2 squad togethr
     
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    Now a lot of Bury and Bolton fans are blaming the EFL for allowing the current owners to buy and run the clubs to this point.

    Wonder what their reaction will be if they block the take over due to the new owners not passing the tests.
     
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    Fan's are a big part of the problem TBH. Owners have pressure to spend excessively, especially in this day and age where social media allows fans to become militant. So even if the owner's plans and finances allow them to get through the fit and proper test when it comes to actually situation they will often spend in a way that isn't sustainable. The only time fans care that the clubs been overspending is when the shit hits the fan.

    If things like this are to be stopped it needs all parties to stop looking to place the blame, its faults on every party end that together become catastrophic. Football clubs needs all parties pulling in the same direction and for that to be based on being financially sound first
     
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    Disagree.

    Everyone should know that football is an expensive business and hardly any money is made unless you own a top club.

    So if you can't afford to run a football club then you shouldn't own one. It's simple really.

    Football fans will always want players that applies for every club and will never change.
     
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    Bolton given 72 hours.. until Tuesday to get this suppose takeover done or face being kicked out of the EFL.

    Bury potential new owners looking for more time.. do they really have the funds? Debt bigger than 2.7m? Are they thinking this is a mistake to buy Bury?
     
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    Bolton: ‘If a successful conclusion to a sale is not found or there are no credible plans for the Club to continue the season in administration by the planned Board meeting at 5pm on Tuesday 27 August 2019, then the EFL Board will consider lifting the suspension on the Notice of Withdrawal of the Club's membership of the League which was issued when the Club entered into administration in May 2019. https://www.efl.com/news/2019/august/efl-statement-bolton-wanderers2/

    Bury: ‘The EFL Board, however, remains firmly of the view that the League cannot be in a position whereby any more of the Club’s 2019/20 fixtures will be suspended due to the integrity of the competition, the impact on other clubs in the League and therefore has stated that matters must be concluded by 5pm on Tuesday 27 August 2019.

    If in the event a successful outcome is not achieved by this point, then Bury FC’s share in the EFL will be withdrawn and its membership in the League will come to an end’. https://www.efl.com/news/2019/august/efl-statement-bury-fc2/
     
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    The thing is most of these people can afford to run clubs on paper. The problem especially outside the PL though is the clubs income that allows that to be the case ends up being tied very much to the fan base and it becomes too much about pleasing them and not what’s financially the right thing to do. If a club doesn’t overspend the fans are prone to start not turning up, not buy merchandise and might even start mass formal boycotts and that can be the difference between acceptable losses and where an owner starts to struggle to cover them. Fans can have wants on the players they want but they also need to become more realistic not to become more and more militant if they don’t get what they want. And they certainly can’t be like that and when the shit hits the fan totally shift any part they played onto the owner.
     
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    Sorry mate disagree.

    Fans don't demand clubs go out an buy Messi. Fans want to upgrade on weakness which I don't see anything wrong with.

    Football is a little bit like a closed book. For me the serious owners want to come in improve things on and off the pitch the problem is when owners are just looking on the pitch for development.

    Liverpool for example spend 4m the summer and are champions of Europe but looking to expand Anfield which will cost about 100m

    Man City owners came in invested in the training ground etc.

    Point is it's not the fans fault. If a manager buys rubbish he will end up buying twice. Fans will always demand players but owners should really be looking to build or create assets.
     
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