Brexit

Come on in, the waters lovely...

 

You disgust me.

 

Hope you're right, and you could well be, May and the EU agreed to the present extension and the EU (using EU law) stated that a deal had to be agreed by Oct 31st or else no deal would be the default position over ruling the surrender bill...

 

There is no way the UK can do what Angela Merkel is suggesting leave Northern Ireland in the EU and why would we they are very much part of the UK just as Scotland and Wales.

 

To be fair, that’s not what she or anyone else is suggesting. Nobody knows exactly what was said in the phone call, and all we’ve had is a partisan briefing this morning from the PM’s office. Everything else is just spin.

What we know for sure is that Ireland have a de facto veto on any deal, in part due to the extension mandated by law. Unless anything dramatic happens, we will be taking a letter to the EU and asking for an extension, and they will agree.

Anything else that’s being said is pretty much just over-zealous interpretation and/or spin. It’s really important to realise what’s fact and what isn’t because otherwise you get interpretations like the above of Merkel annexing Northern Ireland, which isn’t true and is damaging to the truth.

 

You’ve answered the question there really, have an election. It might not shift the dial at all, but until it’s happened we’re going to get MPs holding out for something else.

There are interesting dynamics at play whereby we'll get a new selection of MPs who may have different views, you clear out rebels and potentially a change of government.

 

You're correct neither you or I know what was actually said during the conversation, apparently Merkel made this comment :A No 10 source suggested Mrs Merkel told her counterpart the only way to break the deadlock was for Northern Ireland to stay in the customs union and for it to permanently accept EU single market rules on trade in goods,it really doesn't matter if she said it or not suggesting but Northern Ireland staying in the EU is a none starter I would think.

 

And I would agree with that. No government in their right mind would countenance Northern Ireland remaining in the EU while the rest of the UK does not (an arrangement whereby Northern Ireland is in a customs union with the EU while the goods border is across the Irish Sea, preserving the laws and governance of the UK is, however, one way out of this).

The stuff coming out of number 10 at the moment though just smells rotten. It seems relatively clear to me that they’re holding their noses for the extension and spitting bile out to make everyone certain they didn’t want to do it, but were forced to. There’s very little else that realistically can happen at this point.

The only uncertain element behind that is whether Labour agree to an election in the days following. Surely they have to.

 

Labour go on about not trusting Boris etc, maybe Corbyn needs to have a long look in a mirror, only my opinion but I'm not sure the way Labour have performed with regards brexit they will be looking forward to getting their backsides tanned by the electorate come a General Election.
As I see it :
Tories will canvas on leaving the EU with or without a deal.
Brexit speaks for itself, although there will be other manifesto promises.
Lib/Dems will pledge to revoking Article 50 as they do not accept the referendum result.
Labour who knows they say they will renegotiate with the EU get a better deal then vote against it (quite baffling) as they don't want to leave the EU.
Change, Greens, etc are all against leaving the EU so until they actually state where they are I can't see them being serious contenders.
UKIP wasting their money and also their time with anything they can offer the electorate will be more than covered by the Tories and the Brexit party.

 

Small issue that Article 50 and EU Law allows for an extension, as had already been shown as the end of the first negotiation period passed and we didn't leave. There was an agreed extension.

 

Time will tell, I can't see any point in another extension, if the EU do allow it both parties are clutching at straws over three years and we are still nowhere near an agreement, maybe as someone posted a general election will get a result, although if the Lib/Dems win I will not acknowledge it .

 

If the UK doesnt want to break the GFA then we have to remain or take a deal where we stay in a customs union its simply gone on too long to pretend it can be anything else. If the UK wants a full clean break from the EU it has to go against the GFA and maybe reorganise a new one if not then face the consequences.

We are all grown ups and we need to admit that its not the EUs fault we decided to leave. We need to find a solution instead of calling Angela Merkle a Kraut for protecting the EUs interests. Something which people seem to forget the EU does for its member states.

Simple option now is revoke, take a customs union or break the GFA and get a free trade deal. Tell me how else it can be done? Im fed up of hearing the denial from hardline brexiteers and the govt. Take ownership and stop being juvenile about it.

 

It is rumoured that when parliament resumes next week the remainers will try take control of parliament again and pass a referendum act to enforce an extension and time for a new referendum with remain on the paper

 

Hey, I’m not averse to sticking the boot into Labour either. They’ve been about as reactionary as they come and their message discipline has been god awful (hence how you end up with a potential scenario as savage as you outline).

Shoddy politics all round across the main two parties. Truly I think that a Labour Party without the baggage they've accrued (rightly or wrongly, you can legitimately argue it both ways) would probably be squinting into the wing mirror.

Sitting and uncomfortably waiting for someone else to sort out Brexit so they don’t have to is....a strategy, but probably not one I’d pursue if I was already playing politics on the hard difficulty setting.

 

They won’t. I’m not even certain there’s a majority at this point for a second referendum.

Any talk of a unity government is for the birds. No chance. Corbyn won’t countenance not leading a unity government as leader of the opposition, Lib Dems and rebel Tories won’t countenance putting Corbyn into number 10.

 

Nice copy and paste here mate.

Why are trying to pass other people's writing off as your own?

 

To be fair, pretty much everybody on this thread bases their posts on what somebody had written in the media. Usually to suit their own agenda. Bronco is no different to others on this thread.

 

except his is a pure copy and paste, unfortunately of a post that has been ripped apart for weeks on other social media

 

Exactly we read stuff and ask the question of others of a different persuasion, this thread has been very good for hearing other posters opinions, yes at times it gets a bit heated but most don't make if personal.