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Brexit

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Park bantam, Jun 14, 2018.

  1. Bigrod

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    No contestant this round is in General Chat and your chosen ‘specialist subject’ is Brexit.

    Answer the question or score ZERO points (like Brexit)
     
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    So despite Ireland being in the EU, they can offer ‘attractive’ tax rates which are better than the UK?
     
  5. Clity

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    Yes. Why would they not be able to?

    Although the EU did take the Irish government to court at one time because they didn't apply the taxation rules "fairly" in their eyes.....what it had to do with them is anyone's guess.

    But that's not really the point. The issues are wider than Brexit so all of that should be acknowledged.
     
  7. Clity

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    What price must we pay before you think brexit is no longer the right course of action?

    genuine question

    I.e. you may think brexit is good on paper but how it has manifested itself could ultimately be more damaging than good. What level of that do we need to get to for the balance to tip in your mind?
     
  8. Aaron Baker

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    It's not about what we must do or what "price we suffer".

    For me to think its no longer a good idea the EU would have to fundamentally change - not that I expect it will. If it continues in its current guise or direction I will almost never see it as a good long term idea.

    That's not to say that I think Brexit has been handled well. The whole point of it to me was that we could go in a different direction but all we've done is follow the exact same path as the EU anyway which is an enormous shame when things like the Astra Zeneca investment comes up.
     
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  9. Clity

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    Not answered my question though have you?
     
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    You asked me what price we had to pay.....I answered that.

    If the EU stays in its current guise I don't see it as a "price that we're paying".

    If we ever got to the situation discussed by Osbourne during project fear I might consider it but I'd rather we actually try to make the UK competitive first.
     
  11. bantamlad92

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    All this brexit-blaming for the economical forecast is coming from one political perspective only.

    It was always common knowledge that it would take time for us to reap the rewards of Brexit and it was always going to be the case that there was a downturn in GDP growth initially before it eventually picks up
     
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    Oh really? You must have lived in a parallel universe when the Brexit referendum campaign was ongoing.

    No one on the Leave side said anything about having several years of stagnant/falling economic growth; small businesses going bust because they can't make exporting to the EU profitable; huge labour shortages in hospitality, social care and health; major difficulties in Northern Ireland because of the need to keep an open border, etc etc. It was all about keeping foreigners out and £350m extra for the NHS.

    Rees-Mogg did eventually admit that it might take 50 years to see economic benefit from Brexit, but that was long after the referendum. He kept totally schtum about that during the referendum campaign, for obvious reasons. No one on the Leave side was acknowledging any possibility of economic detriment - that was all coming from Remain and was instantly dismissed as 'Project Fear'.
     
  13. Clity

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    It was dismissed as project fear. Do you not remember that far back?

    Its also not a forecast, its happening, now and its measurable. Unlike any of your wishful thinking brexit nonesense.
     
  14. trevor

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    We are no worse off than the EU countries and will be better placed to react quickly. The EU is trying to be awkward towards the UK to punish us for leaving and stop other members leaving and denying there own populations a choice fearing they to may choose to exit. Eventually the EU will soften towards us because they need the UK despite hating that we have left
    The fact only a few rich countries pay in for the many poorer countries to take out is not sustainable and without reform the EU is at risk of failure
     
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    you forgot to open your post with - 'once upon a time'

    The fact is that we are the only member of the G20 with a worse economy than before the pandemic. So we are in fact worse off than EU countries.

    The EU is not being awkward with us any more than it has been awkward with any third country. Its a bit of a desperate argument to make when we explicitly told you the deal would be rubbish. This was entirely predicted. Anyone with a slight bit of knowledge around the EU would see that.

    The UK did not pay into the EU budget without getting anything back. Firstly there was the rebate, secondly we had EU investments and infrastructure from that budget here in the UK, thirdly we benefitted from the highest proportion of foreign direct investment into the EU than any other country. If you check FDI stats for 2022 you will see a massive hole, billions upon billions.

    Now a man like you would not be ignorant of the facts would he? The great thing is that now after we left all we have is facts and the rest is just desperation from old men or the uneducated. You did not know what you voted for is now an accurate and highly measurable statement.
     
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    Well there were and are many opinions on Brexit but history will show the people took the right decision
     
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    Serious question @Clity@Clity, has the selling of your goods to the EU got any easier as I believe at one time you said if it didn't you'd seriously think about relocating abroad ?.
     
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    * not much call for chocolate fireguards either in or away from the EU ...
     
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    That's just a pure article of faith and wishful thinking. An infinite number of monkeys will eventually write the complete works of Shakespeare. How long before we get to this position where Brexit actually benefits us, because it sure as hell isn't doing so at the moment and shows no signs whatsoever of doing so? A significant majority of the electorate now recognises that leaving the EU was a mistake, but still some Brexiteers cling on, waiting for jam tomorrow.

    As Clity correctly says, we are the only G20 economy that has failed to bounce back after COVID. We've hamstrung our trade with our adjacent biggest market and totally failed to replace it with favourable trade deals around the globe. All of this was entirely predictable and widely predicted. How on earth does that make us 'better placed to react quickly'?

    It's total nonsense to suggest that the EU is punishing us for leaving. It is simply doing precisely what it said it would do, which is treating us exactly the same as every other non-EU country. Only some delusional Brexiteers thought that the EU would somehow need to give us special treatment.
    The EU is doing very nicely at the moment without us. And the predicted domino effect from Brexit has been quite the opposite - public support for leaving the EU in countries like Italy, France and Greece has collapsed, because they've taken one look at our self-inflicted shitshow and said, 'No thanks'.
     
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    Talking of chocolate fireguards, exactly where is that extra £350m a week for the NHS?
     

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