Brexit

They openly said we couldn't have a Canada deal because they didn't want a Singapore on their doorstep, protectionism by any other word.

With regards the vote I always felt we could get the right decision and we did, learn to live with it Clity.

 

Deal negotiation is inherently protectionist, meaning in the same argument so are we. Whats your next null point?

I have come to terms with brexit. I see the EU as competition and I am angry with their treatment of fellow europeans who happen to also be british. I never thought the EU was perfect and believed it needed reform and that has been proven by the vaccine fiasco. I cannot deny that.

Thats why its rich coming from you, because you have no humility. You see any issues brexit raises as being temporary. Every system has some major flaws but you dont see this. Wont admit it.

I have accepted the fact we have left. But I think the vanguard should be destroyed. I dont think Boris, and you lot should have any say on Britains future out of europe. I think that if we want the country back together. People like you need to be gracious step back and stop with nationalistic sentiment. And Boris and his brexit cronies need to go. Its the only way we can thrive. Otherwise we will stumble along wasting our time on things like fish whilst the union slowly ebbs away.

 

But I'm not happy that the UK would have done it, you've got to make up a scenario and also my reaction to get to that point instead of just dealing with what is actually happening.

It's purely for the means of diversion. No other reason to invent other imaginary circumstances.

And I haven't even complained anyway, just said it's wrong, but they can do what they like.

 

Hallelujah.

Who do you think should have any say on Brexit and Britains future out of the EU, he is the elected leader of the Conservatory party that are in power for a further 4 years or so.

You really shouldn't make comments about a fellow posters humanity, I repeat you know nothing about me other than my posts on this forum.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1385967/emmanuel-macron-news-france-would-vote-to-leave-eu-brexit-uk-spt

 

Bronco im sorry to say this but youre missing the point.

Negotiation is protectionist but the EU isnt being protectionist by limiting export of goods thats not what protectionism is. In a deal making scenario of course both sides are protectionist including the UK so why you are celebrating me proving you wrong is baffling.

Secondly, I didnt question your humanity!!! open your eyes and read. Read carefully, when in debate. I questioned your humility... This isnt the first time you have misread or misunderstood my points and take massive offense.

read more carefully!!

 

Well im sorry but after reading everything you have posted on this topic more or less. You have no qualms questioning the points made by those who think brexit is a poorly planned and executed mess. But those who post, almost exclusively, drivel from the express are left alone, ignored and even backed up by you.

We are not in a court I dont need to be super analytical of everything you say or do. Simple fact is that you push the Pro brexit agenda and that involves in this case being devils advocate around italy, vaccines and supply. Insert words that mislead and pretend to be some pious dealer of objective fact all you want.

 

This is true. I like the idea of separating from the EU political system and make no qualms about it but am also mindful of the issues of leaving an ingrained and inward looking trading block. I keep telling you this.

But it doesn't mean that when an EU country does something that we ALL disagree with that the answer should be....."yeah but you'd say something different in this *insert imaginary scenario* situation" its strawman arguments.

Let's just focus on the issues that are happening, both ways, without needing to imagine up other circumstances to muddy the waters.

 

Of course its protectionism or why did they not allow a Canada deal, the EU said after originally offering such a deal to Mother Theresa which they later withdrew they could not allow the UK to become a offshore Singapore.
UK = Singapore giving foreign businesses better deals to start up in the UK, that seem pretty logical to welcome foreign investors offering better start up rates.
I'm looking forward to reading some of your posts with regards Bradford City it being a football forum.

 

So the hideous creature Ursula von der Leyen has more or less threatened to seize factories based in Europe, but owned by a British company, to stop the Covid vaccine from being transported from these production plants to the UK, the same vaccine by the way that most of Europe have recently rejected and deemed unsafe.

The EU are actually currently sitting on at least 7 million unused doses due to them suspending the Astra Zenica jabs, yet they dont want them to be sent over here.

She is playing with the lifes of millions of people.

Further proof that the EU is a Stalinist run type of organisation that we are thankfully no longer part of

Would love to know the views of Remainers on how the EU have handled the vaccine programme

 

I think even the most ardent ‘remainers’ consider it to be a complete clusterfuck.

 

Its ironic that the vaccine strategy had nothing to do with brexit. The EU scheme was not mandatory. Much like we kept the pound in the EU and was out of Schengen, this would have happened anyway.

Also if you read into it, beyond right wing press, the Germans were obliged by law to halt the Astra Zeneca roll out due to the claim it led to blood clots, the govt faced massive litigation. Once they determined the clots were not due to AZ they rolled it back out. I too was blind sided by the headlines by our right wing press into thinking the opposite. Im not sure about Italy and why they halted it. But you can safely say France did do it due to political reasons. The rest im not sure about.

In terms of the EU halting exports to the UK then you would need to be a zealot if you did not think it was wrong. Its undoubtedly wrong and also quite clearly a rebuke to us because of brexit. Its also a clear sign that the UK got it right and they got it wrong on the vaccine strategy as a whole.

Your points about Stalin etc. are really poor IMO as if you understand history then the comparison is severely out of context. A definition of stalinism would not be the protecting of ones interests as we see here in the EU, but lets say a nation where the defacement of a statue gets you ten years in prison, now that would be a closer definition to Stalinism.

I would get used to this kind of relationship with the EU if I was you. Remainers will say we told you this would happen. There is no friendly relationship between us and them as we are now an offshore agitator. For us, whereas before we made decisions within the EU with those countries. Now there will be numerous times where they hold all the cards and we have to swallow their shite. They will then truly be dictating terms to us.

This is just the start.

 

AstraZeneca is part swedish

 

Although as part of the UK Scotland is no longer in the EU, have you noticed that the EU flag is still flying outside the Holyrood Parliament building?

 

Wishful thinking on behalf of the SNP.

 

The SNP are driving Scotland to ruin, It relies on money from Westminster every year to survive, It has been bankrupt before with the rest of the UK bailing it out and rescuing it, If it goes independent the rest of the UK will have to rescue it again, Dreams of EU membership helping it financially are just that, Dreams

 

An extract from today's Queens speech.

• The speech referenced new legislation to overhaul the UK's post-Brexit asylum system and discourage migrants from crossing the English Channel

At long last if they want asylum go through the legal channels not the English Channel

 

Check out again in 12 months, all noise and no action..

 

Unlike you Tony.

 

The only slight plus is that the tories will say they'll do it and then don't, labour wouldn't even entertain the idea in the first place..